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  1. alo

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    Hi, I'm new to the board, my name is Amber, but have been reading posts for awhile. I've only been subbing since January and really have only taken maybe a dozen jobs since then, I'm writing because I really have come to the realization that I just hate subbing. I don't like not knowing what I'm going to face from day to day. The pay is pretty good in the district that I'm subbing in and that makes it even harder for me to admit that I don't want to do it anymore, not to mention the fact that I received my teaching certificate less than a year ago and it makes me wonder if I'm even interested in teaching at all anymore. I'm scared that I wasted time, money and a lot of emotion on this career path that I cant even be sure I want anymore. :help:
     
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  3. Kangaroo22

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    I'm sorry that I can't be of more help to you, but I dislike subbing, too. Even if the day goes well I hate the fact that I never know where I am going to be and the specific procedures are for each classroom. I haven't subbed all that much yet, but if I don't start enjoying it more I probably will stop.

    One thing to remember is that subbing and teaching are two different things and just because you hate subbing doesn't mean that you won't like teaching. Also, and I'm considering doing this myself you can try to find another job and keep yourself in education by tutoring, volunteering, etc. Good luck!
     
  4. McKennaL

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    alo...

    I agree. I hate subbing!

    I have found... or I will say that in my unscientific survey of the people I have spoken with...that the ONLY subs who LIKE subbing are those who do it over an option of "what else is there to do in my life"? Meaning.. I have a husband who supports the family and I...and I do it rather than do nothing. They usually have been at it for years and are known in one district - thus they are a fixture in that particular school.

    THAT, I do NOT want to become!!!!!

    I told a woman who is an aide in the classroom next door to the kindergarten that I am starting a maternity leave in..."I don't want to be the old lady sub that the kids roll their eyes when they see they had the misfortune to end up with that day!"

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    But, alo...THAT'S not US!

    WE are teachers who are spending time LEARNING while subbing. USE this time... STUDY the rooms that you are in. Look through the curriculum. Check out the rooms and their work. "STEAL ideas!" as Harry Wong would say. Use this year to STUDY up for interview season coming up faster than you can imagine!!! Ask the teachers around you the interview questions that YOU have been asked. I like to ask the "what was the toughest discipline problem you have had...and how did you solve it?" "How do you KNOW that the kids have learned?" "Where do you start planning for literacy?" And all those stumpers. I mean...THEY are in the field..USE the resource!!!

    Get business cards. Hand them out to teachers in the schools you work in - or leave them in their mailboxes with a note... "Subbed for Mrs. Tomlinson on Tuesday...would love to be YOUR sub too!"
    They'll ask Mrs. Tomlinson - how did it go with your sub on Tuesday, and she'll say, "Wow, she was Great! Wonderful notes from her. She got EVERYTHING done that I left. The room was left neat and clean, and the kids seemed to like her!" And without doing any mor work...you have someone out there doing publicity for you.

    I'll tell you...now that this is my second year on the sub list...I am getting calls nearly everyday. My "worth" must have moved up - but now I have this long-term assignment and CAN'T take the assignments.

    Chin up... it's just a passing time in your life. This is NOT the final destination!!
     
  5. myownwoman

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    Sorry alo that you feel that way. It's natural to hate subbing because of the unpredictability (though some people love subbing for this reason though), the 'fear' of the students misbehaving, therefore the class will be out of control. Not being able to follow the teacher's lesson plan to the letter.

    Only you can decide where you want to go from here. Whatever you decide I hope it's the right one for you. Subbing is a bridge to get to a permanent teaching position. Think of it that way.

    Though, if you establish yourself enough in one school you will get called frequently by the teachers who already know you. They feel more comfortable requesting you to sub for them since they know you, and you know their students. You a friendly face in the school and they appreciate your hard work. The principal knows you too and will keep you in mind when openings spring up.

    Best wishes alo!
     
  6. love2sub

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    I LOVE SUBBING and I do not consider myself the little old lady sub that is just doing it because I don't know how else to fill my time while my husband works to take care of me.

    I feel very blessed to be able to use my degree and do what I love. I also feel blessed that I can use my talents and have flexibility with my daughter. I also feel blessed that I have proven myself as a great sub so that I now only work in one school. I am also blessed to have a little extra income to keep our household running.

    I guess a lot of liking being sub comes from how you are looking at the job. If you are only doing it to get on as a full time teacher than yes you probably will not like it. If you see it as a learning experience and filling a very important role in the schools then you will be able to stick with it longer. Look for something good about everyday you sub!

    I am happy to say that I have not yet become the dreaded old lady but the kids are always happy to see me in the room:)
    LUV2SUB
     
  7. Ms. I

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    Subbing to me is pretty good. I've been doing it for a long time now, so I think I'm starting to get a tad burnt out. Honestly, I never wanted to be a teacher because I have a very low tolerance for kids who don't behave or the smart ass kids. Subbing was just the next best job I could get when I got my BA aside from the retail/restaurant type jobs out there. Yet, I managed to get a Masters in Special Ed & 2 teaching credentials. I really wanted to be a resource specialist AKA RSP teacher at a certain time & I was one for a year, but now I'm back in college to become a speech-language pathologist & I think I'll like that a lot better. I still have a long road ahead of me for that. I hope to start grad school (again for the 2nd time) in spring 2010.

    I understand how the unpredictability can be a drag. I personally ONLY do speech & RSP jobs...NO general ed grades & definitely no middle school. I'm really picky. Fortunately, I've been very blessed through the yrs to have numerous long-term jobs working 3+ days a wk for sometimes the length of the entire school year, so I usually know what I'll be doing every wk. It's a nice feeling.

    BTW, I personally never just sat & waited by the phone...that's no way to live. I hope you guys learn to enjoy it. :)

    QUESTION: So are most of you guys working on becoming a teacher (while your'e subbing) OR is this just a job to have in the meantime?
     
  8. Peachyness

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    I taught for four years and am back to subbing and boy do I hate it! Teaching and subbing are very different. It's hard to tell if you're going to like teaching when you are stuck subbing. BUT, sometimes, you get a job by subbing, so just stick with it and think how subbing may be the way to get your name out if a job ever opens up.
     
  9. Kangaroo22

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    Ms. I-For me it's kind of both. I want a teaching job, but I'm also looking for jobs in other fields that interest (and that I'm qualified for), because I don't want to wait years for a teaching job.
     
  10. Ms. I

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    I see Jessica26. Well good luck w/ whatever you do!
     
  11. IAMdoneSubbing

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    First, I don't know how you guys can say that subbing is different from teaching as if all the suvs are the same. I sub to teach, seriously.


    IS this person above speaking for every sub? If so, how do you know other people's mind?

     
  12. HeatherY

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    I did not really like subbing. I have been teaching for 3 weeks now and not sure this is for me for life either, but it is much different than subbing. Actually, I enjoyed subbing once I got into one school and really learned THOSE kids and THAT school. It was the constant unknown that was the worst. Once I was well known in one place it was so much easier.

    The nice thing about subbing is that you can go home and forget about your day. Let it go. Leave the bad days at work. Tomorrow will be different and hopefully better. I don't mean that you should never reflect on the day, but don't let it get to you either. Take each bad day with a grain of salt. Did you do what the teacher asked and keep the kids happy and safe? Then you did your job.
     
  13. McKennaL

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    Did I SAY I was talking for every sub?

    (rolls eyes)
     
  14. fratermus

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    Subbing is a challenge, and not a particularly pleasant one for everyone. It's ok to not enjoy it.

    I do not mind the unpredictable nature of the classroom. It's a microcosm of the human condition. I do dislike the "operating without a safety net" feeling that comes with teachers that have left no plans, unclear/incomplete/illegible plans, or rooms that are so messed up you can't find the class phone when it rings. There are schools where this kind of thing is endemic and I don't take jobs there anymore.

    If you are "stuck" with subbing for a while, it might be beneficial to start tracking which classes/subjects/schools/teachers you liked most and working only those assignments. That awareness might lead you to a different grade level, subject, etc, that you might like more. Or even love.
     
  15. Ms. I

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    This may be hard to believe for some of you, but there's never been a school I subbed at & thought, "This is a school I'd like to work at permanently." But, just like the school I worked at for a yr when I was a special ed teacher, I learned to get used to it.
     
  16. Kangaroo22

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    Thanks, Ms. I!
     
  17. Special-t

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    Be careful who you share negative opinions with - they may have a friend or a loved one who is an "old lady sub". And many retired teachers sub, so you may end up looking rather petty by expressing something that can be interpreted as crass. I know may teachers and TAs who have parents in the teaching profession.

    Word gets around school faster than lightening! Think twice before saying things you don't want repeated. You don't want to become the "young lady sub" who has a negative attitude.

    p.s. Students and other teachers have shared their opinions of other subs with me. The biggest complaint is a negative attitude. Some of the favorite subs in the schools where I work regularly are the ones who are NOT looking for permanent teaching jobs. They tend to be more relaxed and have fun with the students. Some of them see subbing as a career and have years of experience. They sub because they like the flexible schedule and they like the students.
     
  18. myownwoman

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    Though there are subs who ARE looking for permanent teaching jobs who do have a relaxed and caring attitude with the students.
     
  19. apmeteach

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    Wow... what a great group of posts. I have been feeling really badly lately. I have my teaching certificate and am close to completing graduate work for a Master's in literacy. I have not been able to find a job, or even get an interview for anything.

    I don't enjoy subbing in general, unless I know where I am going and have an established relationship with the students. The last few substitute jobs I had were awful and I left thinking, I don't want to be a teacher! Now what do I do?

    Maybe it would be good to remember that subbing is different.
     
  20. Peachyness

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    Have you ever taught your own classroom? I've taught for four years and am subbing right now and IT IS very different. You walk into a new classroom and have to learn the class' rules and expectations. When you have your own classroom, you know where everything is, you know exactly how your classroom is set up and why. Your kids know your expectations. Your kids know that you have the power to call home. As a sub, they try to get away with everything. And, because you are a sub, you don't know every single little thing. Sometimes I do let them do something and later realized, whoops, they took advantage of me. It's tough. Yes, subs teach, but it doesn't mean that subbing and teaching are the same.
     
  21. myownwoman

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    True, teaching in your own classroom does have its benefits as you already made it feel like 'home'. You have established yourself with your students and they feel comfortable learning from you.

    Though, some days teachers do have trouble maintaining classroom control. I have noticed this happening when I observed teachers in their classrooms, or when I was subbing as an Instructional Aide.

    So both subs and regular teachers have this in common, and both groups of people still need to educate themselves on the best practices in terms of classroom management.
     
  22. GourdArtist

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    I find subbing very stressful sometimes. Right now I'm subbing only on Fridays, since I have a part-time job as a teaching assistant at a local jr. college the rest of the week. My job at the college is so rewarding and pleasant, that I've decided to go for a Masters degree and then teach on college level.

    I've been subbing now for almost two years, and I'm grateful for the experience. I've discovered that I love teaching, but don't like having to spend so much time on discipline. Teaching college provides the right setting for me.

    When I sub on Fridays, I'm so much more relaxed now. I know that I don't have to do this every single day of the week, and that's a freeing experience.
     
  23. myownwoman

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    GourdArtist I am glad you feel that way. Good luck on all your endeavors!
     
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    Well, I guess you'd consider me one of those "old lady subs" that makes kids roll their eyes when they see me. And. . . I LOVE subbing. I'm 59 and in my 8th year of subbing. I have a degree in economics, and, trust me, there are many other things I could be doing with my life.

    I am a highly requested sub (by teachers young and old) and work every day. I have kids tell me I'm the "best sub they've ever had." I think this is because I'm strict and I keep order. The kids who roll their eyes when they see I'm their sub do so because they've had me before and they know they will not be able to pull the usual crap they pull on most other subs.

    With your limited experience, you really should be careful about sterotyping individuals.

     
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    I don't like subbing at all. One of the reasons I don't like it is cause I find I have to be much stricter than I'd like to be as a sub since students automatically see the blindness as a sign that they can get away with anything. On the other hand, when I get to know my students, I can throw all those misconceptions out the window in the first week and get to teaching.
     
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    Ms.I, I find your posts so interesting!
    I just started TA subbing (special aid and general), after trying a sub teacher and a preschool teaching.

    I enjoy it so far because:
    - as a TA, I don't have to worry about class discipline, which I find is a very tough thing to do for me
    - Since I seem to gravitate to Special Ed more than general, I like the idea that I get to meet different teachers, OTs, PTs, see how special children are handled in our particular district
    - I sub in the same district that my kids go to (I have 2, one is in school already), I find that subbing is a great way to find out what is our school district really like. As a parent I always wonder when other people say "Oh, this is a good school district!" , what exactly do they mean by it?
    - Since TA subbing doesn't involve as much responsibilities as a teacher aid, I have more time to OBSERVE and answer many of my questions
    about how the American system of education works (I'm here since 15, so I only experienced high school as a student)
     
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    I have a similar experience from a different point of view. For many years I considered homeschooling my kids. I finally freed myself from the idea and started working. However, now that I look at how things are done in schools, I'm not sure any more whether I want my children to go through all 12 grades of a regular public school. :eek:
     
  28. Ms. I

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    Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy my posts! :) I hope you enjoy the TA subbing!

    I agree. I went to a private school from grades K - 7. I don't have kids yet, but I don't know about public schools their entire academic career either. Private school gave me such a good foundation.
     
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    I enjoy subbing in special ed classes too!
     
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    I just started subbing last year - at 47. I love subbing, too. I actually decided to go for my teaching credential so I'll have more stability (I hope).
     
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    I didn't sub before getting a teaching position. The only subbing I've done has been covering a period here or there when there is a shortage of subs and lots of absent teachers (usually before a long weekend).

    I really don't like subbing! I don't feel like what I do as a sub is comparable to what I do as a regular classroom teacher. I wouldn't enjoy subbing on any sort of regular basis, although I would do it if I was looking for a job and needed the money.
     
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    This is my third year subbing and I have to say I do NOT hate it. I love the flexibility it gives me, especially now that I have a daughter. I am out the door at 3:30 and I'm done. I can spend my evenings with my family. But at the same time, I am actively looking for a full-time teaching job. So I use my time in the classroom soaking up everything I can to use in the future.

    The way I have found to get more sub jobs is to make professional business cards (I made them on my computer using special card stock from Staples, they look like cards you would get from a printer and didn't cost a lot), and some professional-looking log sheets to fill in what you did that day to leave for the teacher. I have a space with my name and number, absent students, date, and a space for each subject. It looks very clean and organized and teachers appreciate knowing exactly what you did while they were out. Many teachers have told me that they based their decisions on whether to call a sub back by the quality of the note left. Also, whatever the lesson plans are, follow them! Believe it or not, there are subs out there that walk into a classroom and completely disregard the classroom teacher's plans. Way to leave a bad impression.

    I also try to speak with other teachers in the lounge or hallway and let them know who I am and that I am available for subbing. I have gotten tons of jobs this way. I have to say my second year of subbing, the phone was ringing off the hook. Hang in there, make connections, leave a good impression, and you'll be on your way. Being a "good" sub (teachers talking about you) is the best way to get interviews also!!!

    Good Luck!
     
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    Well there are some of us who do like subbing.
     
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    I am Disapointed

    I too dislike subbing.
    Teaching wasn't a career choice, I went into subbing because I had wanted to spend more time with my 6 year old daughter who is now 14. I can't honestly say it's all bad. I have had many good days and equally bad ones. It's a good feeling knowing that I can make a difference in the life of a child, I would like to believe that I had made some difference over the years. However, traveling from school to school and classroom to classroom can take its toll. The worse part of subbing ,in my opinion, is dealing with the individual student's behavioral issue . I often thought about how nice it would be if only all the students would sit and listen, and they would in most cases if I was their regular teacher.

    The fact is, if you are not the regular teacher, the students will test you, just to see how much and how far they can push your button. You have to let them see that you are no push-over. Its sad to say, but don't smile too much, they will take this as a sign of weakness, read the sub's packet, it provide important information on individual students and any behavioral issue some may have. Get to class and hour a head of time, this will allow you time to go over the lesson plan left by the regular teacher and allow you time to get yourself organize before the students enter the classroom. Believe me, this make a big difference.

    I have worked as a substitute teacher for over 4 years before I had decided to entered into an alternative teacher's training program, which lasted for 12 months. I had to student teach even after working in the district for so many years. I wasn't happy, and on top of that I was told I had to take the praxis-1 at the ending of the 12 months program to be able to student teach. This was definitely a setback, I was never told in the beginning of the program, that the test was necessary. I felt, I should've been told this in the beginning of the program, not after I had completed all the classes. In any case, I was allowed to student teach, and it just did not work out. I was informed that even if I had passed student teaching, I would not have gotten certify if I did not pass the test. Boy, was I stressed. I had to focus on student's teaching and all the baggage that it entails, and on passing the exams. I decided, it wasn't worth the stress and walked away.

    I am still subbing, do I enjoy it, overall, no. I do my best to limit my days to two or three days per week.

    Currently, I am in the process of studying for praxis 2. In my state you need to pass 011, praxis 1( reading, writing and math) before you are allow to teach fulltime.

    Is it worth it, I believe so, if money isn't important to you, and teaching is what you truly want to do. I believe I am a good teacher. I don't consider myself a sub. I had the training, the education and the experience, I will keep trying until I pass the praxis and become what they called a real teacher. Honestly, I don't have the desire to sub anymore. I want a real job with benefits and the pay rate allow to other teachers.

    If teaching is what you want to do, it will get better when you get a fulltime position and you have the opportunity to impact your students your way. Hang in there, at least you passed the praxis.


    Ps. sorry for the wordy writing.:angel::|
     
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    I am also that crazy person who loves to sub. I enjoy the flexibility it gives me with my own family. I always say a little prayer before class begins that I can be what those kids need for the day. Then, at the end of the day, my responsiblities are done. No paperwork, grades, etc. That leaves me a lot of room to just enjoy the students, have some laughs and get some learning in!
     
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    This is my attitude, too. I no longer worry about being tested by the kids - all the teachers I've subbed for EXPECT that will happen and understand if the day doesn't go as planned. My goal is to get in as much teaching as possible, but to have a sense of humor when things go awry.
    Plus, there are so many opportunities to have a positive impact on students (which is why I want to teach in the first place). Sometimes just helping them have a good experience in class that day is beneficial. I've found that some consistent trouble-makers embrace the opportunity to have a fresh start with the sub - they can actually get on the "good list" for the day. It can be so gratifying.

    And ... no grading, no planning ... I did a long-term position last semester and I was floored by the amount of WORK involved.
    I'm looking forward to having my own classroom, but I'm enjoying this freedom while it lasts.

    Furthermore, it's a great opportunity to see a variety methods and lesson plans. During my LTS position, I had to teach a unit on Romeo and Juliet - so I learned how that teacher planned the unit. Then I subbed at a different school with an entirely different approach to R&J - it was enlightening and rather exciting to see the differences.
     

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