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  1. sciencegurl

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    We don't have a formal detention systems at school. Many of the teachers just have students stay after school for anywhere from 5-20 minutes for misbehaviors. While this can be effective, it is just punishing the teacher as well. Anyone know of alternatives to this solution?
     
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    Ah yes, if we could only go back to the good ol days when teachers could spank! JK How about Saturday school?
     
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    lunch detention
     
  5. sciencegurl

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    somehow I think spanking HS/MS kids was never okay
     
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    How would that work in your eyes? In a middle school I subbed at once the teachers for each grade 6-8 would rotate who would have lunch detention duty and kids would stay in that teachers classroom while the kids got a diff lunch from the normal of just a pb and j sandwhich and milk and fruitcup and/or jello. They would have to work on any work they were missing for there class or work to stay ahead. I see that as punishing the teacher since he/she has to babysit the kids.
     
  7. sciencegurl

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    yeah, but I like my lunches. Unencumbered time is so hard to come by.
     
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    I'm not necessarily saying spanking is the way to go, however, just a few decades ago one couldn't even dream of doing/saying some of the things kids do/say these days...so what changed?
     
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    True, true. Personally I think the media has as much to do with how kids are today as anything. Just look at what is shown to kids these days? You certainly don't learn the same kind of lessons from some of today's programming as you did from the brady bunch or the cosby show for that matter.

    While, spanking my MS kids would bring a certain degree of sadistic satisfaction, and lunch detention, while it works is a royal PITA for me, I'm still wondering if there is another good alternative to deter kids from their misbehaviors and not be an inconvenience or potential law suit for me?
     
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    I work in elementary, so I am not sure of the logistics of how it could work. :unsure:
     
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    I think it's parent's fault...after all, if the parents parented more kids would walk the line...how about hiring other kids to do your dirty work for you? Tommy misbehaves so I'll give 20bucks to Timmy to kick Tommy's butt at lunch? :) But I'll pay Timmy off on the downlow so it's untraceable to me...yes I've thought about it.
     
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    Ah, kind of mob-like...interesting.

    I agree about the parent aspect though. Too often I've had parents come to me during conferences asking me how to parent their children. What do I know about parenting HS kids? I realize they are probably deperate at that point, but still. Most recently we had a parent say right in front of their 13 yr old boy "we've given up on him". What do they expect?
     
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    Sounds like an interesting plan. Not sure I could get other teacher on board though. We have a duty-free lunch and it may become a union issue if we start an organized volunteer lunch detention program.
     
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    I teach at a middle school and we issue lunch detentions. The detentions are served in the cafeteria at designated detention tables. By contract, our teachers have a duty free lunch, so the administrative assistant oversees detention. Kids get their lunch, go to the detention table, eat, and then do other work. We have now added working lunch for kids that haven't finished or done any class assignments. THis whole detention/working lunch is very successful for our school and has helped classroom grade a lot
     
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    My kids write this in friendly letter format:

    Date

    Dear Mr. Principal,

    I truly regret my inappropriate behavior. I realize I’m preventing my classmates from connecting dendrites, I’m creating confusion in the class, and I’m taking time, energy, and creativity from Mrs. X.
    My parents did not send me to school to be a discipline problem. They would be disappointed with the way I have been acting. I am here to learn to be a sophisticated, educated, second grader, and to be the best citizen I can become.
    I will work harder at being a team player in Mrs. X's classroom. I want to grow up to be a productive citizen, and I want to earn the right to have a good, high-paying job. I know it is easier to stay out of trouble than it is to get out of trouble, and I know I don’t want to live a complicated life because I didn’t learn self-control as a child.
    My behavior is going to improve. I will work harder at being a team player. I don’t want my classmates to lose out on a rich education because I’m creating confusion. I don’t want to rob Mrs.X of her time, energy, and creativity.
    Most sincerely,



    X
     
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    Second graders write that letter? I think it's a great idea for MS kids, but my son is in 2nd grade and that would not only take him forever to write, but he wouldn't understand much of it.
     
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    Ahh, yes, once again, let's blame the parents!
     
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    WOW, that's ridiculous.


     
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    science boy, I PMed you an interesting article regarding media and it's affect on student behavior...check it out :)
     
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    Absolutely.

     
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    Alice, obviously not all parents, but I think something has to be said for our lives, schedules and time with our kids these days. Kids can't be taught right from wrong or except to learn to deal with problems in the type of life style many people have become accustomed to.
     
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    Only once or twice, the mere mention of "The Letter" settles the most active kid down.
     
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    Society is always changing. The standards for what can be said and what can't be, what is taboo and what is not, are constantly changing.
     
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    I focus on the positives now. I used to give detentions, but they were ineffective. Plus, I need my time away from kids. I have a token system and a "CHOICE" time for my students. Anytime my students act out as a whole I cross off a letter. I reward students constantly with tickets. Those who are constant offenders have behavior contracts with individualized incentives. I can actually say my students buy into it and listen to me. Check out positive behavior supports before using detentions. My students used to throw tantrums and be physically aggressive. Now they behave. Don't punish yourself with detentions!
     
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    We do silent lunches, and after school detentions.

    In silent lunch they just sit away from their peers and don't talk. Detentions are only once a week and we get a duty roster for it at the beginning of the year. So everyone has one detention duty date each school year. It's only an hour after school. If the students skip out on d-hall, then they have to serve a day in ISS.
     
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    lol, I think we can all relate :thumb:

    As far as parents go I don't think it's that easy since most parents have their fair share of stresses. In my experience so far most seem to do what they should be doing as far dealing with their kids.
     
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    In our elementary campus, you have to reach a certain level before you can be given lunch detention. The behavior specialist assigns it. Then the behavior specialist oversees it. She has lunch detention often enough. It's usually reserved for anything physical or chronic.
     
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    In some schools, lunch duty is CONTRACTED. It may be hall duty, or lunch room duty or lunch detention. It's not punishment for the teacher- it's contracted time. Sure, not the best part of your day, but a requirement in some districts.
     
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    We also have lunch detentions, but many of the middle schoolers WANT a lunch detention so they can stay inside where it's warm rather than go outside and freeze their bootys off!

    So, we have a before school detention once a week. The teachers rotate, but it's not a big deal, because we can get some work done in our classroom while the students are serving.

    They report at 7:30am and have a thinking sheet to fill out: What did you choose to do that earned you a detention? Why was it wrong? What will you do differently next time so this won't happen again?

    Then, for the rest of the time, they just sit there. They can't work on homework, read or put their head down. They HATE it because it's boring and they have to get up early. I've really seen improvements in behavior since this has been implemented.
     
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    Sounds lovely, but I have 130 students. I can't imagine individual behavior contracts.
     
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    Understood....I'll tell you this though, if I would have ever had a teacher call me up because either of my kids was misbehaving at school, everything else would be #2 in my priority list and little Jack or Jill would not be having much fun at all, further more, it would be so unpleasant they'd think twice about repeating their behavior....funny thing when they were in school I never had any behavioral problems imagine that:)


     
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    I do give detentions. Yes it is my time but I view dealing with parents, behaviour, etc as part of my job. I do think that using postiive reinforcement, etc is fantastic but detentions do play their role too. If we NEVER give detentions and never tell kids they are doing things wrong we do set them up for more serious consequences. I'm not trying to be melodramatic or anything but kids do need to learn basic things like "stealing is wrong" or their first time stealing will be in a store that procetes them.

    I will say that parents who are supportive when I call make a HUGE difference. If they recognize that their child is not perfect and are willing to develop a school/home plan the student usually gets on track quickly. When they give the "I can't do anything with John" or the "Well what Suzie does at school isn't my problem" answer it isn't shocking that behaviour or homework or whatever doesn't improve. But I do agree with Alice that blaming the parents doesn't get us anywhere. When I have supportive parents I work with them. When I have either uninvolved or helicopter parents I inform them and let them do their thing.
     
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    saturday school, pull out of electives, lunch detention or some kind of outside of school essay for wrong doing.


    thats what i would do.
     

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