depressed about job outlook

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  1. kermy

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    So it's been 2 years going on 3 years since I graduated and I still havent' gotten a job! Is this normal?! :eek: They want mor experience but how I am I supose to do that when I can't get a job? This is so fustrating and I don't really want to move to find a job. I finally like where I live now and dont want to go anywhere right now. I guess I'll have to think about it if I dont get a job this school year...:unsure: Thanks for listening!!:thanks:
     
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  3. MelissainGA

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    I definitely understand your frustration (been there done that. . . in spades) I ended up moving here to Georgia from Kentucky because of the same situation. I love it here now though. It took a bit of getting used to mainly because I came from a town of 2000 to a town of around 60,000 and growing rapidly.
     
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    I was there too. I took a job as a teaching assistant to garner more experience - the pay is terrible, but it looked good on the resume and helped me answer interview questions better. I would also suggest maybe subbing - we had a sub this year who was phenomenal and he was hired full-time when an opening popped up suddenly at our school.

    Try not to get discouraged - it's a tough market out there. I would also say that some schools probably don't know some of their teachers won't be returning (I have a friend who is still deciding). They may have to fill a spot fast in August!
     
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    Are you still in the town where you went to school? College towns are a very difficult job market. While I do understand the desire to stay somplace you like, consider that you just might like someplace else just as much (or more). At the very least, if you get a job someplace else for a few years, you can always attempt to move back after you've gained experience. Good luck.
     
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    I understand how hard it is. As of right now, only 5 of the 20 members in my graduating cohort have teaching positions. No one ever mentioned how HARD it is to get a job. We always assumed after you graduated, you had a job.

    Keep your head up. The new school year hasn't began yet, so perhaps openings will pop up and you'll be contacted. Many of my friends are in your same boat. One did re-locate to find a job, but only 30 miles away. I hope something good comes your way!
     
  7. Chef Dave

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    I went through the same experience when I first began teaching some twenty-six years ago.

    What I finally did to get a job was I relocated.

    If you're willing to relocate, jobs abound. If you're tied to one area and if that one area has a surplus of teacher applicants ... it's quite possible that you'll never land a teaching job.

    Not only will you not have any experience ... but the longer you're out of the classroom, the more rusty your skills will become. At some point you won't even be competitive with college graduates fresh out of a teaching program.

    The best advice I can give is that you relocate. Throw open the doors of opportunity. There are critical vacancies in many of the larger school districts ... Houston ... Los Angeles ... Las Vegas ... Chicago .. New York City ... Baltimore ...

    Once you have couple of years of experience under your belt, more opportunities will open.

    When I first began teaching, I relocated from Michigan which had NO teaching jobs at the time all the way to rural south Texas. I wasn't crazy about my first job. I was a Title I migrant reading teacher in the days before Texas put a cap on the size of its elementary classrooms. Instead of the 21 students that Texas teachers have now, I had 45!

    My classroom didn't have enough furniture. My textbooks were outdated. We ran out of basic supplies in December and teachers were told that if we wanted supplies, we'd have to buy them out of pocket.

    I hung in for two years, left to pursue a Master's degree, and got a really nice job after I earned my Master's in Curriculum and Instruction.

    Ever since then, I've really had no problems with finding work.

    I hope you will consider the possibility of relocating. Two years down the road, you could always come back. In the meanwhile, look at this experience as an opportunity for adventure. Go out into the world. Travel. Experience new places and meet new people.

    I am now forty seven years old and have felt the call of the road for twenty-six years. My jobs have taken me across various parts of Texas to Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, North Carolina, Oregon, back to Texas, up to Pennsylvania, and for the past year I've been in Arizona.

    Aside from the fact that my mobility has killed any chance at a state pension, I've had a grand life and have no regrets.
     
  8. dodobird

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    I understand that some school districts will not start hiring too much until the middle to late July...
     
  9. Go 4th

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    You may have heard of Clayton County, GA. It is the county that is in jeopardy of losing its accreditation, only a few schools (like 2 or 3) have been in this kind of position. Anyway, teachers are leaving there in flocks. The job that I ended up with was applied for by over 700 applicants (it's an online process). For those who got jobs, I think a lot of it was simply luck. When a principal has that many applications to go thru, there has to be a lot of luck. At the job fair, people were running, actually running, to the tables that they knew had lots of positions available.

    What helped me get my job? My principal knows me from substitute teaching, volunteering, and being on the PTO board, plus I have children in the school. I subbed while going to school so they knew I was in school and always told me to let them know when I graduated. Although I was swamped with school, I was the PTO volunteer coordinator for several reasons--1. to help our school 2. to learn new ways of getting parents involved 3. to make myself known to the teachers and principal. I also volunteered and helped out as often as possible at the school in my children's classrooms. When I went for my interview, I knew all but one of the teachers interviewing me and they all knew me! They had all seen me with kids, 2 had even requested me as a sub in their room! I had gone to several of them for help with school.

    My advice: get involved with a school as much as possible. If you can, substitute and get yourself seen and known. I know it isn't always possible if you have another job, but I really think it will help! It certainly can't hurt.

    Good luck! It will happen. Keep yourself open to any posibilities.
    PWhatley has a couple of different posts right now about things she is doing. You may want to check those out and see if they offer any other suggestions. :)

    Big Hugs!!!:hugs:
     
  10. pxydst07

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    Hang in there! I didn't get a position right after I graduated. I decided to sub for a year. I am so glad I did that. It kept me in the classroom and without all the paperwork! :) It also taught me what not to do when I had a sub. I did get a position the following year, in a district that some would find less desirable. I think you may want to broaden your horizons also. Everyone wants to get into the districts that pay very well and have a lot of materials for the teachers. Go where the jobs are! Get your experience and then look again. There isn't a perfect job in the world-unless you make it that way!
     
  11. glitterfish

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    Just to let you know, I'm going through a similar situation, yet a bit different. I had a teaching job and quit to relocate "back home." Now I'm jobless and feel foolish because no one can understand why I would leave a good job without finding a new one. I guess what I'm trying (badly) to articulate is that I understand you not wanting to leave where you are now. I relocated to find my job and was pretty miserable for the 3 years I was there. Now I'm back where I want to be and still can't get in, even with experience! So much for that. I guess some districts are just TOUGH.

    That having been said, I still think relocating could work out for you. You could give it a try. I did and I didn't like it, but I did learn a lot and wouldn't have changed what I did.

    Also, what I'm telling myself right now is that all of the admin and hr folks are doing THEIR summer vacation right now, too. So, we can't expect to get hired during the next 3 week window or so. In mid-August, when everyone comes back, I'm counting on the fact that they'll SUDDENLY realize that so-and-so is on maternity leave or had to relocate because of a spouse, etc.

    *Keep your fingers crossed and try to stay positive. I know it's hard and hopefully knowing that ten million other people out their can feel your pain helps.*
     
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    I am really sorry that you are going through this! You have been given some good advice by others and the only other suggestion I might make is to consider taking a job a little further from home just long enough to get the experience that they seem to be looking for and then work your way in. One to two successful years at a school will really help your marketability in some of the tougher markets.

    Good luck to you and don't give up!! Somewhere there are kids that need YOU!
     
  13. TeacherC

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    kermy, try not to get depressed! I went through the same thing...I subbed for 3 LONG years after I graduated! First I did day-to-day subbing in the town I lived in, then the next 2 years I long-term subbed a few towns over. I finally got a job there because I volunteered for all the after school activities and was active with the other teachers. When you sub (especially for longer than a few days) in a room, the principal or other teachers/administrators can see how you would do with a room of your own. I know it can be frustrating, but really, it is VERY rare (at least in my neck of the woods), to get a job within a year or two of graduating. Good luck!
     
  14. Lindsay.Lou

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    I have applied to over 20 jobs (I'm about 30 min. outside Boston) and have only heard from one school. Luckily, they did in fact hire me! However, I haven't heard a peep from any of the other schools. I just finished my masters, I have excellent grades and wonderful recs, I was an undergraduate teaching assistant for four semesters, and I subbed for the past year at a junior high. Still, NOTHING. I feel so stupid, because I was kind of dreading having to tell all the other schools that called that I already got a job. Little did I know I wouldn't have to because none of the other schools would call! I guess I think too highly of myself. :eek:
     
  15. Pencil Monkey

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    well if you want to come to ga and teach let me know. There are lots of jobs here.
     
  16. MelissainGA

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    yeah same in this area Julie, I was just checking earlier for a friend of mine (their internet was down due to the storms) and there were still 36 openings (mostly middle and high school but still 8 elementary) and we start preplanning in 2 weeks from tomorrow... sure hope our school has a media specialist by then ....
     
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    i understand too! it took me 3.5 years to get a job. i, like many others, took a TA job. mine was really a para position, but i worked with many kids. i think that was a huge stepping stone.

    keep trying. if all else fails, be a TA! it's less money, but you're doing something that will be looked at!

    LC
     
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    I don't know where in California you are but you might try Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego, Comptone, Bakersfield, Sacramento, Concord, Pittsburg, West Contra Costa, or Tracey to name a few. Basically if you want to find a job look in those districts that have a huge number of schools. Be willing to apply and take the job in October or November. A lot of the harder schools lose teachers in the first two months and need to replace them. Be willing to work in not so easy schools the districts are often desperate for teachers in those schools. Once you have your foot in the door you will get experience that any district will want. If you are willing to sign the contract without knowing where you are to be placed that often will get you a position.
     
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    I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of these teachers haven't been approached by recruiters from other states. Clark County (Las Vegas) has a growing reputation for aggressive recruiting. Other districts with critical needs have also started to emulate Las Vegas.

    Christian Science Monitor: "In Vegas, Recruiting Teachers is a Ruthless Art"
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0530/p01s02-ussc.html

    New York Times: "To Find Teachers, Raise Hands High and Yell 'Follow Me'"
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B04E7D9143BF936A35753C1A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
     
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    I would watch out for San Francisco. I left in Feb. because it was so horrible. They had one of my checks, never told me, and when I called last week after being notified about it by my principal, they told me it burned up in a fire in their office and they would reprint it when they got to it. Uh-huh. My co-worker didn't get paid for the first three months. You have been warned. :whistle:
     
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    I agree with other posters to cast your net a bit wider. When I graduated with my master's, I sent out over 100 applications, to almost every district in Virginia, plus private schools and other organizations. I got a handful of calls, three interviews, and one offer (and I had two years teaching experience before I got my master's!). The basic math boils down to this: if there are 100 applicants for every job, then you should send out at least 101 applications. I understand your desire to stay at home, but that's obviously not working out for your career. The more mobile you are, the more options you have. Good luck!
     
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    I just finished my job search and I basically looked in all parts of the country that looked like it might be interesting. Honestly I really focused on finding a job in Maryland and I ended up taking a position in Colorado, because I really liked the school, the principal and the area. I'm not really a city type of person, so I found a job in a fairly rural area that is about 1600 miles from my home, but I am so excited. I figure the worst thing that can happen is I hate it and I will be done next May and I'll at least have experience to put on my resume. Whereas the best thing that can happen is that I'll love it and stay for years, so the pros far outweigh the cons for me, but it was a tough decision. It's definitely something for you to think about, since you are able to relocate. Good luck with your decision; it's definitely a hard decision to make.
     
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    I just want to start of by saying THANK YOU so much!! I never really thought I wouldn't get such a big response from ppl. I'm going to take some of the advise that I have gotten so far. It makes me feel less of a loser when I know that other ppl have gone through the same thing. It also makes me feel good b/c you have jobs now too so I know eventually I will get a job. Have a great day everyone, thanks!!
     
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    I'm not sure where in Cali you are, but LAUSD is a pretty good district to get your foot in the teaching door, if you r anywhere in the LA area. Also, if you haven't already, try looking at schools in less desirable areas. That's where I ended up starting out and I LOVED it!!!!
     
  25. Kinder Rules

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    Know the feeling

    It took me about that long to to land a teaching gig at the elementary level. I received my clear credential in 2003 and didnt have my own classroom until 2005. Now I am job searching again; its a hard market. Good Luck
     
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    I understand your pain kermy I am in the same boat. In the job fair rush interviews and in the few I've got the principals and teachers seem impressed, but no luck. I get high anxiety, and if I call up a school listed on the districts web site the answer is "we are still sorting" or "position is filled." I have also been fustrated by the we want a level two or three. I can't move past level one while subbing or doing ea work. I have to have a postion where I'm in control of what goes on in the classroom! I want to scream.
     
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    kermy, I completely understand your frustration. I was hired to be a special ed teacher the summer I graduated w/ my Masters, but I was given the choice to resign after that year. I've been subbing for a long time though & my name was miraculously kept on the sub list during the year I taught. (It was for a different school district).

    It's tough out there. I'd never want to move for a teaching job either. It would have to be one heck of a job paying $75,000+ a yr or something like that for me to pick up everything & move away from where I love & where my family is. And we know teachers don't get that unless they've been teaching maybe 10 yrs!

    So, what kind of work have you been doing since you graduated? Subbing or something unrelated to the teaching field?

    I decided to go back to school to get a 2nd Masters in the speech pathology field. It's much more in demand than teaching. Some districts are willing to pay you more than the teacher salary. You can work in hospitals & other settings as well.

    So if you really don't mind school & going back, maybe you should return to school for something else. I personally might do that rather than moving. The thing is most teachers aren't considered tenured until beginning their 3rd yr, so if you move all that way & you're let go, what are you going to do then after you've moved all that way? You're in the same position you were before you moved.
     
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    I stuck it out in my town because I really wanted to be here. I choose to take ANY job to get my foot in the door, and then I'd work my way to the one I really wanted.

    I wanted a high school English position. I took a subbing position, which just happened to include two long-term high school English positions. The next year I took a part-time high school English & part time middle school reading job. The next year I took a middle school reading and homebound job. The year after that I took a leave of absence job for a middle school language arts teacher, and I've been there ever since.

    I was happy in my middle school position, but I really wanted the high school job. When my high school position my second year was eliminated, they told me they'd call me when they had a position.

    And, yes, they did call . . . ten years later!! Our district doesn't have much turnover, so it had taken ten years for a position to open. I decided I liked middle school much better during those ten years, so I turned down the job. But, I'm glad to know that they kept their word and did make me an offer.

    Oh, and for one of my jobs I was hired two weeks into the school year!
     
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    Don't give up! There's still hope. I graduated college in the winter of 1997. I did some day to day subbing and long term subbing up until 2000. I was getting tired of being the sub and wanted my own classroom. I decided to leave 100% pursuing a teaching position and went into the library setting. I worked there until last year when my DH was transferred. What a blessing in disguise that was. I landed my first classroom last year. In the whole process I discovered my love of libraries also (I wasn't a big reader or library fan when I was younger). There is hope!
     
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    Hoping for something to come along

    It looks like lot of people have experience this unfortunate part of job searching. I just wanted to let you know you aren't currently alone; I'm in the same boat with slightly differenct circumstances. I have my certification from Arizona which I obtained at the beginning of this year as I graduated in December of 2007. My husband works in California so I followed and now I am finding nothing in our near-by districts. It probably doesn't help that my CA certification is stuck at the commision being reviewed. I've gotten to the point where I'm looking for jobs back in AZ with the understanding that my husband and I will be living apart for awhile (Note: we're newlyweds who spent most of our engagement apart and we were looking forward to being together but at the same time we know we can do the distance thing). Luckily for me, we already have plans to move back to AZ in the near future but moving my plans up b/c I can't find a job here is depressing. I wish you the best of luck finding a position in the fall. I know it's discouraging not knowing what is going to happen but all you can do is keep trying.
     
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    Thanks smannes, you give me hope. I graduated in '96, have taught off and on in various districts around here only to be let go due to numbers at the end of the year.
    It's hard to find a job when they see that you have bounced around job to job. Don't they get it? If they will give me a chance, I will prove that I am a great teacher. It wasn't my choice to leave.

    Good luck to everyone.
     
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    I can relate

    Everyone's experience is different depending on where you live and how many people are applying to the jobs. I graduated in 2004 from grad school and finally got hired this next year. I substituted for 5 years on a PT basis and also worked as a PT nanny on occasional days so I'd have some gauranteed income.

    I had no idea it would take me that long either but substituting is great experience so you feel more prepared when you finally do have your classroom.
    Call around and be pro-active--- that's what I had to keep doing even when I felt discouraged year after year!
     

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