CSET Science Subject Test

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  1. ddmansprty

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    Thanks Malcolm! Would it be worth while reviewing scientific methods as well ( I have not scientific method in over 10 years)?
     
  2. Malcolm

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    I think you should be up on scientific method. One of the domains on Subtest III is Nature of Science. Check it out in the Subtest Description. My guess is you will have some MC questions, and it is possible that you could be asked to design or describe an experiment as one of the CR questions.
     
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    There's a SparkChart on Chemistry Lab Basics (I think that's the title) that goes into lab safety - it might not mention absolutely everything you need, but it's likely to mention enough to let you get by. SparkCharts are at Barnes & Noble, in a big revolving wire rack near the test prep books.
     
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    I took the multiple subject test, and would like to take the CSET science test, or the CSET social studies test to teach jr. high. My major was liberal studies, which covers a bit of every subject. Do you have to actually major in one of the single subjects in order to pass it? Or would just studying be enough to pass the tests?
     
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    From what I've seen, a liberal studies major won't give you the depth you need to pass CSET single subject exams without studying. You should check the Subject Matter Requirements, though, and have a go at the sample questions on the CSET Web site.
     
  6. Malcolm

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    You don't have to major in a subject to be able to pass the CSET for it. But you will certainly have to study for it. FWIW I was a business major and managed to pass all three parts of CSET math and at least the first two parts of CSET science so far. It did take a good deal of study for the math. The first two science subtests didn't take a lot of study. You can find strategies for preparing in this forum. The third science subtest by nature should require quite a bit of study. Which science would you like to go for?
     
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    I was a History major and did not know a thing about Science. I studied quite a bit for the first 2 Science subtests and passed. I just took the Earth Science subtest last Saturday and feel comfortable with my performance. It's very possible for you to pass these tests...just make sure you study what's on the outline at the CSET NES website.
     
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    Thanks for the input guys. I'm not quite sure about high school yet, but I would like to teach junior high school social studies and/or science. I'm long-term sub teaching pre-algebra and algebra to 7th and 8th graders. After doing this I now know I would never want to teach math for a living. I'm not bad at math, but teaching the same math over and over again 4 times a day is BORING! What's weird is that in California, they have this thing called "minihousing" where teachers with multiple subject credentials teach different subjects in jr. high. I'm not quite sure of the details of it, but that's the jist I got from it. I like science and wouldn't mind teaching it.
     
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    "Minihousing"? New one on me.
     
  10. Malcolm

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    IMHO the key to teaching the same math, or any other subject, over and over again and not getting bored is looking at it as solving learning problems with a new set of students each time. No two students take precisely the same approach. Focusing on the material itself is a recipe for disaster.
     
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    Amen To That, Malcolm!
     
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    Dagnabit it, I just discovered that A to Z will "correct" a message that's in full caps to cap-lower case. Well, the good news is that that explains some weird capitalization patterns I've seen here. But the bad news is that, this time, I MEANT those caps!

    So I'm going to try it again, in reference to Malcolm's observation about teaching the same material without getting bored by focusing on the students:

    AMEN TO THAT, MALCOLM!
     
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    MUCH better.
     
  14. Malcolm

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    A little single malt scotch doesn't hurt either...
     
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    OoooOOOooo: pour me one while you're at it, hm? Since it's after school hours...
     
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    Yeah, it's a new one to me as well. A few people I've talked to are multiple subject credentials and teaching at the Jr. High level. To me, it doesn't makes sense that one be allowed to teach multiple subjects at a jr. high, and not be able to teach a single subject without a single subject credential. As I'm typing this sentence, I'm beginning to think that minihousing is where you and another teacher kind or switch off for different subjects.
     
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    Could be it's something specifically for sixth graders - perhaps they're still being taught in a multiple-subject format, or something rather more like that than is in place for the seventh and eighth graders?
     
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    I was going to wait until I got my results to talk about it, but it takes so long to get the results! I took subtest 1 a couple of saturdays ago. I think I either did really well, or I am completely out of it and failed miserably, ha! I *nailed* the CR, so there is at least that. I tried to guess somethings that would make good CR questions and it paid off, very exciting. There were only 2 MC questions where I truly guessed, and even with that I was able to eliminate 2 of the answers. So we'll see. I'm taking II and III Biology in July. I may delay one of those if I didn't pass subtest I. I liked the test actually, even if I failed, because of the way the questions are written.

    I'll be so happy if I passed!
     
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    People who walk out of a test murmuring, "Hey, that was actually a pretty good test..." generally either pass or come very close, HilaryP. There are, of course, no guarantees that you'll get the same questions next time. But the feel of the test - how it does what it does, and how it wants you thinking - should be pretty comparable.

    We'll hope you don't have to find out, eh?
     
  21. Malcolm

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    My guess is if you feel you nailed the CR questions you aced the test. The first two subtests are really not very difficult. I'll be curious to hear what the Biology subtest is like, though.
     
  22. BASUDHA MUKHERJ

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    My question

    I have completed my study in India and got my evaluation done here, from IERF. I got 94 semester units in science and 35 in education; all together I got 129 units. They gave me BS degree, which is equivalent to USA.

    Now, I am completeing my CBEST. After it's done, if I want to be a science teacher, would I take CSET? I don't understand the concept of subtest. How would I choose them? I read the information here and in CSET web page, but don't understand the numbers included the subtest-- like 129,89 etc etc.

    Do I have to go and check somewhere( ANY COUNSELOR OR EDUCATIONAL ADVISOR) what test should I take after passing the CBEST?

    To be a middle school science or elementary school science teacher, I would only take CSET science--- right? What does it include?

    Please help me to understand the information; I will look forward to hearing from you.

    Thanks a lot--- regards

    Basudha
     
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    If you want to teach elementary Science you would have to pass only the 3 Multiple Subject CSET subtests. For middle or high school you would have to take the two general CSET Science subtests and a subtest III of your choice (bio, geo, chem, or physics). If you do specialized you would only need Science subtests III and IV for whatever subject you plan on teaching. The downside to the specialized credential is that you can't teach a general science course.
     
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    If I get credential for Biology Biological Sciences , the subtest codes are: 118, 119, 120. Does that mean that I could teach in elementary school then?
    OR for Health Science: 178, 179, 180, where would I teach?
    What is the meaning of 3 Multiple Subject CSET subtests? What is the subject? Where would I find the information please?

    Thanks for your help.

    - Basudha
     
  25. aciervo

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    To teach bio in high school or middle school you would have to take 118, 119, and 120. If you are going to teach elementary you have to take the 3 Multiple Subject subtests because they cover a little of each subject you will be teaching at the K-6 grade-level. If you want to teach any grade level from K to 6th grade you would not need to take any Single Subject Science subtests (118, 119, or120) because you will not be teaching only Science. The single subject tests are only required for those wanting to teach at the middle or high school level. The CSET website is the best place to get the test information go to www.cset.nesinc.com Good luck to you!
     
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    Besides passing CSET, you'll have to complete a credential program of some sort. So, it would be a good idea to talk to a counselor in the School of Education at your local CSU to find out what the entrance requirements are. Other schools or internship programs will have similar requirements. They can explain CSET to you at the same time. You can also look here.

    In most elementary schools you will need a multiple subject credential. You would typically teach one classroom full of students all day long, all subjects, not just science. There are variations where you would team teach. You would be responsible for some subjects, another teacher for others, for two or more classrooms full of students. But it is still essentially multiple subject.

    In most middle schools, you'll teach a small subset of subjects in a departmentalized classroom. Students come and go all day. You'll need a single subject credential with the appropriate subjects.

    A subtest is just a part of a test. It is scored separately. You can take all the subtests within a given test on the same day if you wish, or take them one at a time. You get credit for any you pass. And the credit is good for five years. Science is a little different from other subjects. For most subjects, you must pass all the subtests of the subject. For science, you don't have to pass all the science subtests, just the ones relevant to the credential you are going for.

    There is no single credential that lets you teach all science classes. If you want to teach just a single science, say physics, you can get a specialized credential, "physics (specialized)" for example. You'll have to take the appropriate Science Subtests III and IV for your specialty. I think a specialized credential will only work for you if you want to teach high school. Most middle school science classes are general or integrated science.

    If you want to teach general science or integrated science, in addition to your specialty, you will need the regular science credential, "science (physics)" for example. You'll have to take Science Subtests I, II and III (Subtest 118, 119 and the appropriate subtest III for your specialty). FWIW I would go this route, even for high school. It just makes you more marketable.
     
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    Basudha, all CSET tests are divided into subtests to allow test takers the option not to take the whole test at one time (and, in the case of single subject science, to allow test takers to specialize).

    Since you asked, CSET Multiple Subjects consists of three subtests: 101, 102, and 103, or more familiarly Subtest I, Subtest II, and Subtest III. These subtests test material that is taught in or is useful in self-contained classes in elementary school, grades kindergarten through 6. ("Self-contained" means a class with one teacher all day teaching all subjects.)

    Subtest I tests reading, language, and literature plus history and social science. There are questions on how to teach small children to begin to learn to read and how to encourage older children; on the grammar of English; on spelling and word formation; on writing and on how to interpret literature; on world history, US history, California history, civics, and economics.

    Subtest II tests science and math. There are questions on the fairly general, hands-on sort of science that gets taught in elementary school and on math up through fairly elementary algebra and geometry, with emphasis on being able to explain one's answer in ways that would make sense to an older child.

    Subtest III tests human development, physical education, and visual and performing arts. Human development isn't generally actually taught in elementary school, but obviously it's important for a teacher to know what to expect at different ages and stages and to be able to recognize when a child needs outside help. Physical education questions focus on children's acquisition of physical skills and on body systems. Arts questions primarily focus on visual art and music, but there are generally a few questions on theatre and dance as well.

    It is necessary to pass all three subtests in order to pass CSET Multiple Subjects (just as it is necessary to pass all three science subtests in order to pass CSET Science: Biology).
     
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    I am planning to do Biology/ Life science subject matter and would complete the test since those were my subject.Then, would I take 118, 119, and 119 (sub I,II, and III) only? Would I be eligible to teach in Middle and High school then?

    OR is there any life science specialised credential please? I probably won't be comfortable with multiple subject( history part specially) since I didn't study here. If there are like that, are these subtest III and IV?

    thanks for your tremendous help.

    -basudha
     
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    Ah, I think I get what you're asking.

    CSET Multiple Subjects is for the Multiple Subject credential, which allows you to teach all subjects in self-contained classrooms in elementary school.

    To teach biological science and general science in middle school and high school, you need the regular single subject credential in biological science, and for that, yes, you take CSET 118, 119, and 120. You would not be teaching anything but science, though you'd probably teach general science classes.

    (Everyone who gets a science credential that ISN'T specialized has to pass 118 and 119, which test in all the sciences; then 120 is the biology concentration test; those who concentrate in chemistry, physics, or earth/space science would take one of 121 through 123 instead.)

    To teach biological science and ONLY biological science in high school (no physical science, no earth science, no general science - and probably no middle school, for that matter), you could obtain the Biology (Specialized) credential, for which you'd take CSET 120 and (I think) 124 - anyway, the Biology Subtest IV.

    Malcolm has pointed out, and I think he's right, that you'll probably find jobs easier to get if you have the regular science credential with the concentration in biology, rather than the Biology (Specialized) credential.

    Have you passed CBEST yet?
     
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    I took the CBEST on 17 th June.

    Could you tell me a good book on CSET Science please?

    Basudha
     
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    Malcolm and I like a book that's sold for kids, Usborne's Internet-Linked Science Encyclopedia, though just reading through it isn't enough: it's the Internet links that lead to information at the level of sophistication required for CSET Science.

    Any good high school or science biology textbook that doesn't bore you to tears will probably be a good choice.
     
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    So, Now I got the point.

    If I want to teach general science, which is more beneficial to get job, I would have to take 118( total), 119 (total), and any one from subtest III ( suppose, I would choose 120 since I would concentrate on Biology)--- am I right?
    Should I talk to any counselor after completing the CBEST? Once I went to Susan Sullival from Cal State Hayward though.

    Thanks.

    -Basudha
     
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    It's wise to be in contact with the credential program(s) to which you plan to apply, so you're sure you have that program's requirements satisfied. I assume you're thinking about Hayward, since you've talked to someone there.
     
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    The May test scores are in and I passed subtest I! Woo hoo!

    I took two days off from studying for II and III, but now I am re-energized.
     
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    In USA, how many units does a student need to get a BS degree in life science please?
     
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    Units requirement varies a bit from school to school and subject to subject. At my local CSU, it takes 124 to 140 semester units for a B.S. degree, depending on the subject. Sciences, engineering, etc. tend to be on the higher end.

    Yes, if you want to go for "Science: Biology", Subtests 118, 119 and 120 are the ones you will have to pass.

    Don't know for sure what would be a good book for the Biology subtest. I used Schaum's Physics for the Physics Subtest. And it was right on the money. I would suggest you compare the table of contents of the relevant Schaum's Biology book or books to the CSET Biology Subtest Description. If there is a good fit, then I think Schaum's will ge a good resource, that is if you like the Schaum's products in general.

    Congratulations, Hilary!
     
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    You too Physics Man! I'm on my second bloody mary, yee ha!
     
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    Cheers to you, HilaryP!
     
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    I borrowed cliff CSET prep book from library. I already went through the requirement and all the theory of this test. According to my knowledge, there are 3 subtests (I,II,III).Each have 52 marks, except the III one. But, I couldn't find the subtests 118, 119 and 120--- something like that. I want to take the general science test. Please specify which subtest should I take? Tell me according to the subtest I,II, and III please. It would be clearer to me.

    Thank you
     
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    Subtests I and II are the general science tests. There are 2 of them.

    Subtest I is 118.

    Subtest II is 119.

    However, to be credentialed, you must take a level III test also in the area of your choice (Biology, Earth Science, Physics or Chemistry). That is the 120 test. Even though they are in four different subject areas, they all have the same test number, but you only need to take one of them.

    I understand your confusion. When I first looked, I thought I was going to have to take 10 tests!
     

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