CSET-ART

Discussion in 'Single Subject Tests' started by nasimi77, Nov 28, 2006.

  1. eduk8r

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    If you've been teaching it for 10 years then why do you want to get a credential? I thought it was pretty clear I haven't taken the test? I can't afford to get a credential in something where there are hardly any positions, and will be even less and less at the rate NCLB is going--even high schools are under the gun now.
    Whether you think you need to prove it or not depends on how much you want the credential.

    I guess you could say I'm "worked up" because really that's what I'd rather be doing, not teaching it. So it makes me grouchy even thinking about it. So I should have kept my mouth shut. Sorry. But only a little bit.
     
  2. joe

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    i need the credential to open up more options in my career. sorry (only a little bit) i didnt know you had written that you hadnt taken test. mustve missed that post.btw, nclb not a problem. in case you havent heard, high school requirements now in the arts- art is a core subject with standards. never been stronger than now it seems.

    what do you want to do? make art and not teach it you mean?
     
  3. eduk8r

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    Yes Joe that's what I'd like to be doing. And I will be doing that next year. I'm going out in the middle of nowhere with my huge savings and going to just paint and write until I die. No I am not kidding.
     
  4. TeacherGroupie

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    Glad you two seem to have settled down a bit.

    joe, you could perhaps do acceptable images of your drawings using a scanner, if they're small enough. The procedure manual is emphatic that the images DO NOT need to be professionally done - I think the point of the 8 x 10 format is so that details will be visible to the scorers. As of 2005-6 one needed one artwork in one's area of concentration and three others in different media to demonstrate breadth. The procedure manual changes for each administration of CSET Art, but I'd bet the changes are in detail rather than in broad outline.
     
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    thanks groupie. can anyone else address my 7 questions please?
     
  6. joe

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    it looks like youre running this thread or site groupie. are any of the 5 or 6 people who were talking bout test on this thread still paying attention to this discussion? i pm'ed all of them in hopes of individual advice from someone. where do these messages go and will these people see them???
     
  7. TeacherGroupie

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    How many people will depend on the room. Unless a CSET exam has an audio or video component, I would expect takers to be in a room with takers of other CSET exams.

    The idea is both; since it seems that drawing is your area of concentration, strike the best compromise you can between recent work and best work; for your breadth areas, best work is probably more important than recent work.

    Dunno.

    Elements and principles are important, and so is art history. Bottom line: if it's mentioned in the Subject Matter Requirements for CSET Art, you need to know it; the fact that a particular version of a particular subtest may not go into that area explicitly is just luck of the... um, draw.

    It's generally true that CSET single subject exams test at the advanced undergrad level. AP prep guides should be helpful for the art history, as should teacher resources on the Web sites of some of the major museums (Getty, the Met, and the like). Use the Subject Matter Requirements/Content Specifications document as a checklist to help you identify what you do and don't know, then go fishing on the Web for those topics and concepts. As to what the LA library system carries, there's always inter-library loan; or you can look them up online in a university library system, figure out where they'd be if they were in your local library, then browse that location physically to see what IS there. You might check your local Borders or Barnes & Noble for bargain books that are apposite.

    Better not to blow off entirely, no: get some terminology that you can sling around. The museum Web sites might help, and I'd guess there are professional associations of art teachers that would address these points.

    [/quote]7) what does the test really cover (in laymans terms)? being able to identify how an artist and yourself in your own work use prin. and elements in an artwork? and then a couple of simple drawing exercises?
    [/quote]The gold standard here is the Subject Matter or Content Specifications document (the exact label varies from CSET to CSET), combined with the state Content Standards in visual art. Principles, elements, media, choices among media (both for art making and for art teaching)...
     
  8. TeacherGroupie

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    I don't run the A to Z site, no (fortunately for my blood pressure).

    PMs get notified to people by email, just as with threads to which one has subscribed. Who responds is another issue entirely.
     
  9. joe

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    thanks bro (?) have you taken the test? why r u so knowledgeable?
     
  10. joe

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    and on cset site "portfolio procedures manual" not available for now- as i said. this is why i have so many ques about that
     
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    I'm an incorrigible busybody.
     
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    Passing the CSET is not about knowing ART, some positions in ART are not even relevant to the questions on the test. I almost passed it last time, and nothing is related to Art History, they ask random and somewhat strange questions about art works, much of it subjective. I am a well recognized artist, please allow me to remain anonymous and I know my art very well as well as teaching methodology, the test does not measure your knowledge, noone can measure from 50 questions if you are able to teach 200 high schoolers a day. I think its all political and can be intimidating, so we have to be mature and deal with the garbage. I am waiting for the day when all teachers are tested, even the Jurassic ones who are tenure and are not doing their jobs.
    I teach college level courses too and the CSET can be annoying and irrelevant to the subject being taught such as 3D design, glass working or other media that requires the CSET, yet the info isnt related to it.
     
  13. joe

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    can you describe what happened (procedure-wise) the day of the test?
     
  14. TeacherGroupie

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    Most CSETs exist in multiple versions, and emphases can vary from version to version. It's important to emphasize that CSET exams are not tests of teaching ability: they are tests of content knowledge that are explicitly aligned to California content standards. Quite often a given credential area covers a great deal of ground: for example, CSET English has questions on theatre and journalism and speech because those areas fall within the English credential - and the theatre teacher therefore has to be able to answer questions about world literature and grammar.

    Similarly, the Art credential comprises quite a range of practices and approaches, and CSET Art has to reflect that range.
     
  15. arts

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    the day of test: You get your seat # and go to that room, there were 25 people in the room I tested in, mixed, not all were Art Cset testers.
    They walk around and take each persons finger prints, very annoying because you have to wait about 30 minutes for them to get to if you are in the end of the room.
    You get your booklets and you have 5 hours. Its not a difficult test, the most annoying part is not knowing specifically what you miss, because the next time the same questions will be seen again.
    That's about it. And you wait a month to get your results. I took the state contractors test and it was much more professional and my results were instantaneous, and computerized. It cost less that what NES is charging and I passed it on the 2nd try
    Enough complaining from me, I am so done with all this testing. I might even change careers, not because I'm a bad teacher,I enjoy what I do, I even get teacher "awards" wuhu! because I cannot get credentialed due to a test? How much longer will this last? and what is the future outcome? I really have no say
     
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    I forgot to mention that with that contractors test passed, I may just not teach anymore :( my passion is teaching though
     
  17. joe

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    you havent passed the cset? how many times u try? what r u missing?
     
  18. joe

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    anyone know how i access my inbox here?
     
  19. TeacherGroupie

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    Click on the blue link in the incoming email, which should open a window in your browser. If that doesn't work, there's a blue "Private Messages" link at the top right of this page, just below where your page says "Welcome, joe": click on that link. (You have to be signed in for that to show up.) And if that doesn't work, use the Forum Jump tool below; scroll up to the top of the list, where you'll find "Private Messages".
     
  20. joe

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    thanks!
     
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    (wryly)

    And now you know the trouble with asking me a question, joe...

    You're welcome, of course.
     
  22. Freemaker7

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    Here We Go Again

    Hey Gang,

    Recently, I beat the English Cset on the second go-round. Now I'm returning to my field of expertise in Art for my second "subject matter competence" (ho ho!). I signed up for May 08'. I see the rather long list of references on the cset site, and from my Cset English experience I doubt they will be of much help. On that go-round I had Elmer's notes and a couple of good book suggestions from TeacherGroupie. Is there anything similar here? :help:

    Thanks,
    Double trouble!
     
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    Have you looked through the rest of this thread, Freemaker7?
     
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    I have a Multiple subject credential but I am trying to get an art authorization by taking this test. If you had to recommend three courses that would help you pass, what would they be? Also, do you know the price and duration of this test?
     
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    Testing time per session is as it is for the multiple subject test: five hours. During that time you may take both subtests or just one. The fee per subtest is $105 because there are just two subtests (that is, each CSET test overall costs $210).

    CSET Art requires that you present a portfolio of photos of your own artwork in several different media. To find out more, see the Test Guide at http://www.cset.nesinc.com. I think the portfolio manual isn't posted on the Web site - it's sent out about a month or so before the test, I think - but we'll hope the veterans of the test find your question and offer some comments.
     
  26. artsurf6

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    hi,
    I just read all previous thread. Like you, Double trouble, i will be taking the Art CSET in May. I was shocked to read the questions on the real test are hard to decipher and the answers too.

    I know more about contemporary artists than historical ones and know my elements and principles of art so I am hoping this will help. What does someone who took the test in January think? Were more of the questions dealing with contemporary artists?

    The practice test was clear and straightforward, but from what I hear the real one is not like that. Was the January test ambiguous and convoluted in its language use?

    Has anyone found any new sources to help besides the one art history book perviously mentioned?

    I loved Joe's Questions and felt they were valid and clear. Can anyone who recently took the test add to the answers?

    Are you still out there Joe?
    AS with everyone else, I'm not sure what else to study beside the elements and principles of arts and the content standards. And of course Art history and architecture. Any new ideas from those who have taken it?!

    Thanks
    artsurf6
     
  27. TeacherGroupie

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    How are you generally as a test taker, artsurf6?
     
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    I'm not that great. I did everything I could not to have to take this. But I do.:D
     
  29. TeacherGroupie

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    How are you at explaining art, then?
     
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    Fairly good. Though I know the correct term and definitions, I can not always pull them up.
     
  31. TeacherGroupie

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    Do you mean you can't pull them up immediately? If so, you've got lots of company, so make sure you take at least one break during testing time.

    Are you currently doing art?
     
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    Well it's good to hear you can take breaks! I am doing some art now, painting and print making. Mostly i teach elementary art. I'm at a private school so I missed getting validated for NCLB
     
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    Okay: as you teach, rehearse the terminology - in other words, make your teaching time part of your study time.

    There aren't scheduled breaks in CSET testing time, but one can certainly get excused "to the bathroom" - and one should, because it's amazing how often the answer that was being elusive will come to one's mind en route from the testing seat to the, um, other seat.
     
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    Thank you for the helpful ideas. I do try to use the correct terminology in class but I will work at being more cognitive of its use and application. I worked on it today actually. I tried to pay attention to my analysis and interpretation of other artists work.
    I'm hoping this will help me with discussing my own work.

    My biggest question right now is how much of the test is dealing with application of standards and the elements and principles of art?
    Can anyone help with
    this?
    Thanks
    artsurf6
     
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    CSET VS. PRAXIS

    Can someone tell me the difference between the CSET Art and the PRAXIS Art? I have passed the CSET because of California's requirements, but am now moving to Oregon and must take the PRAXIS. Oregon does not recognize the CSET test yet. If I passed the CSET without trouble, should that be true for the PRAXIS as well? Thanks all!
     
  36. TeacherGroupie

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    One thing that CSET Art has that Praxis II art tests don't is art produced by the test taker. The tests will also differ in format, and Praxis II exams don't allow the test taker the option of getting more time by spreading out the test taking. The up side of this is that there will be a scheduled break during which you can eat and even study a little without there being problems.

    If you passed CSET Art in one go, I would expect you'd have no trouble with the Praxis II Art tests.
     
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    art cset

    Hello,

    I wondering if you past subset II?
    I passed the subset I, but I am having trouble with Subset II.
    Do you have any suggestions?

    Thanks,

     
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    Hello,
    Do you have any tips for passing subset II?
    I already passed subset I.
    I missed subset II by 10 points?
    Thanks,
     
  39. TeacherGroupie

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    What do you see in the chart on side 2 of your score report, rokera?
     
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    I don't understand how to read the chart.
     

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