Concerns about inclusion class in placement school

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  1. Caesar753

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    I agree with everything here.
     
  2. SF_Giants66

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    I think what you're referring to is that most colleges only have primary and secondary education degrees. We have a middle school degree as well which requires only the courses needed for that specific certification. I'll have middle school math and science certification only. I won't gave any certification for elementary.
     
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    I'm sorry but this is so arrogant! Who are you to tell your supervisors what you will teach and what you will not teach? Your certification means you will teach anything you are certified in.
     
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    I agree swan. SF, when you get a job do you expect to be able to tell your principal what you will and won't teach?
     
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    I think there's also something to be said for tackling things during your student teaching that make you uncomfortable. You'll have many, many days that push you out of your comfort zone and even if it's not like this exact situation, practicing things that are challenging can only be helpful later. I'd almost argue that if you're never at any point uncomfortable during student teaching, you're not getting everything out of it that you can. Obviously there are some differences between teaching math and science but there are many things - planning, presenting information, engaging students - that are similar. Teach as much as you can teach regardless of what it is.
     
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    And these people are teaching math? :eek:

    Holy cow.

    If you want to teach math, and you are so good at it, why did you stop at calculus? The courses beyond calculus are where most of the magic happens and you learn why everything else makes sense.

    I'm teaching biology this year, and while I know the content and can handle any student question, I still feel like I'm without a net. Not having my depth of content knowledge as I do for my main area is stressful to me even though I know I can do a good job.

    :eek: <-- that's my expression throughout this thread, especially when students are graciously referred to as "not stupid" or "lacking intelligence."
     
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    This thread is a little strange to me. A student teacher shows up early, leaves late, does what they're asked to do, prepares for topics they're not comfortable with, follows directions, does not openly criticize the master teacher (in other words, think what you want, but keep your mouth shut), is eager, courteous, humble and does whatever they have to.

    As a student teacher this is your chance. I don't get how you tell your teacher what you will and won't teach. I don't get how you talk about the students being 'not stupid'.
    If you teacher decides to spend 2 weeks on something, you go with it, because this teacher has done this for awhile, so she knows what and how she has to do to get the students to learn. She really doesn't need your advice or input.
     
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    It wasn't ability, it was time. I'm actually the only middle school math concentration in my class year that even took Calculus 2.

    I'm 27 already. I'm old, and I don't have many years left to accomplish what I want in life. I don't have time to keep taking more and more college classes maxing out the time I am taking to get a bachelor's degree. I took more classes than I even needed to already to get certified for middle school mathematics.
     
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    You're old at 27??? Wow, you just offended a large portion of the teachers who post on this site. I don't know if you even think about how some of what you write sounds to others. I am older than you and I continue to take courses to better myself as a teacher. I can't get over the fact that you find 27 old. Was there something else you were doing before college?
     
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    I think the other issues that the OP has are coming out more profoundly now that has nothing to do with teaching. This must be a very understanding CP to put up with all of this nonsense. Some of it might not be the OP's fault but he just keeps making mountains out of molehills.
     
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    I'm in my 8th year of college. I tried being a real estate, and given being autistic and not having the necessary people skills, the only successful work I did was with banks, and the foreclosure prevention programs put me out of business pretty much. They also didn't work.


    27 is old to not have a degree and a career. It isn't like I have friends and can find some roommates. I'm stuck living with parents and siblings because I can't find a place to live on on a single person income in hospitality work.

    I try to make friends, but I just don't connect with peers well, unless they show a real interest in wanting to get to know me. I work well with children to the point where it has impressed people with how compassionate and caring I was. That is because I understand them more and can show a level of empathy. My teachers when I was little were concerned at my lack of ability to get along with classmates, but I was able to get along with adults just fine. I've described this behavior to others who found it very common in autism.


    So just because I see 27 old for me and don't feel I gave much time left to make anything happen, doesn't mean I think everyone over 27 is old.
     
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    Also, this is pretty much the last chance I have to make anything satisfying happen. This is a bit of an over share, but since I've got so many people upset and angry already, maybe telling them the reason will help.

    These next five years are my final attempts to satisfy my life and my moods. If by then I still feel I have no control over my life and making what I want happen, I'm committing suicide.

    I'm not doing society any favors by being depressed and having my problems add burden to their lives, and I can't contribute anything positive to others when I feel so occupied with my needs not being met.

    So nobody needs to worry about me hurting and ruining other people, because I won't be doing it for much longer, because I'm going to get out of this or get out of life.

    So rest assured, I'm not a danger or a problem for others.
     
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    You have mentioned many times that you are in therapy. Have you mentioned these feelings to your therapist? They should be working with you to find a combination of therapies, medicines, diet, etc. that work to help you. Teaching is very draining emotionally, even for an extrovert with excellent social skills. You really need to make sure that you have your own self in order before you try to manage a classroom. You deserve to feel better, and your students deserve a teacher who feels better, too.
     
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    I have a son with similar problems, who is living at home while finishing a master's. This feeling of hopelessness is not something that should be addressed in this forum, but I know that there are many here who would like to reach out and help you, or get you help. Please consider reaching out to therapists or professionals who can help you make sense of these feelings. No one should feel that there are only limited choices available at your age, or any age. Many have had failures, live with restrictions and/or disabilities, and suffer through hard times, but it isn't a permission to give up. Know that people are more than slot fillers - they always matter to more individuals than can possibly be tallied. It is our nature to make connections that have vast repercusions. That is a good thing. Please consider that you have a purpose and value beyond what you may currently be able to recognize or even realize.
     
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    If it makes you feel better, I was a student teacher at 33 (I was in banking and finance) and definitely disagreed with my cooperating teacher at times. Generally, I went along with her suggestions because she had so much more experience than I did. There were two times I talked with her about student placements. I had evidence that the individual students were performing above their assigned tier, which I had collected over the space of a month. In both cases, she listened and agreed with me, and the students were moved into higher level classes. HOWEVER, this was after weeks of data collection and analysis, and it was only two students out of 100.
     
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    I'm 36 and I just finished student teaching in May. You have lots of time. Please make sure you're sharing these feelings with your therapist or someone else in your life.
     
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    I do talk to my therapist about these issues. When I started, there were a lot more important issues he had to address though. Such as controlling heated and often threatening conflicts which I was managing poorly, and years ago got myself into serious trouble. Several years ago, the therapy I needed was avoiding the impulse to knock the wind out of someone, throw them through a wall, and avoiding threats from anger and rage. Now I actually have the ability to address emotional management and thoughts of self harm since I'm past many more serious issues.
     
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    Positive interactions with children do make a positive difference in my moods. This morning I just made a post on Facebook that I was not feeling good today, and a woman who has a 11 year old boy that I was a camp counselor for told me he said to tell me he hopes I can be happy and he misses me. Then she sent me a picture of him smiling. That did cause an emotional shift in my moods for today for no logical reason really. He is being tested for autism now as I spotted his behaviors right away and his mom thought it would be a good idea to seek a professional for support. I connected well with him at camp though.


    See, if I were to go off and be some kind of math specialist, or go into hospitality management which I could easily make more money in, these kind of connections wouldn't happen. I would be just going for a paycheck every two weeks and missing every necessary emotional satisfaction out of a career.


    I need help dealing with the stressful aspects of teaching, and dealing with parents and co-workers, because I'm still stuck in the mindset and parents are often competitors that are trying to bring teachers down and make them them out to be the bad guy. I just need to be convinced that somehow even the most angry and emotionally biased parents can be allies. That would make my job a lot less stressful.
     
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    Does your family know about you decision to end your life if you don't get the satisfaction you need?

    I wish our son had come to us before he made the decision to end his life.
     
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    (Hugs and hugs, swansong.)
     
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    I am so sorry to hear of your sorrow and loss. My son once made a statement about being worthless and better off dead, and it made my heart almost stop. When in pain, young males in particular fail to see just how much people need and love them. There are no words, but hopefully OP will realize that pain lives on - it is just transferred to others who live with the question of "why?"

    Please accept my condolances for a life too short. :mellow:
     
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    I'm sorry about the one whose son committed suicide. I'm aware it does affect other people. I have talked to my family about suicidal thoughts.


    However, one important point to remember, is we know it hurts others, but it isn't about anyone else. If we are in the state of not being able to live in our minds for one more minute, other people aren't going to have much reason for us being alive.

    Last fall my school work suffered, my hygiene suffered, I wasn't successful at my workplace, I was spending every free moment alone in my room either crying, drinking alcohol, or trying to overdose on sleep pills just for some brief moment of relief. I developed a prostate infection from unknowingly dehydrating myself, and I was losing weight in a not healthy manner. If you can imagine going through all these things and still feeling like you could not think about ending your life just because others might suffer, I would be impressed at your level of altruism.

    I don't think your son wanted to hurt you. My guess is he had so much shame about something or a combination of things that he was afraid to talk to anyone about, including you. Telling people about my problems took guts, and it could have backfired drastically if I had picked the wrong people.
     
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    I know all the statistics about young men and the sky high rates of suicide...the thing is, SF, you know all that info too, and you still consider it. You need to find a competent therapist who is also trained in dealing with people with autism. There is someone out there who can help you.
    Please dump that ridiculous notion that people won't want you in their life!
     
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    Um, bull****. If the rest of the world doesn't get to tell you how bad you hurt in your life, by precisely the same token you don't get to prescribe how people will feel about their lives with you dead.

    Try pretending that it IS "about anyone else." It's possible that you can't do that directly, but let me suggest a mantra for you, O teacher of math, that might help: "But that won't solve the problem." Whenever you feel the need to self-medicate with alcohol or sleeping pills, say aloud "But that won't solve the problem." When you feel the pull of suicide, or when you explain about killing yourself in five years, add "But that won't solve the problem."

    I'll also recommend a change in terminology on your life schedule, from "If it doesn't get better, I'm committing suicide in five years" to "I'm sticking around for five years." You know how powerful it can be in math to restate a formula, and it's not that different here.
     
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