Complaint-Teachers who use incorrect grammar

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  1. Irishdave

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    We are on MT Standard time here in AZ it is only 10:45
     
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    Yeah, but........I got nothin'
     
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    You see my feeling is that many have judged. I just believe that they have judged incorrectly.

    Unless of course they are willing to admit that I would be a fierce scrabble opponent.
     
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    Dear Dove,

    I do not feel that I should apologize for making my views clear, nor do I feel guilty for somehow being responsible for your signing off. However, I don't mind that you've shared this observation with me, and I do sincerely apologize for "leaving you cold."

    Please try to understand that nothing is more important to me than language, than expression of thought. Too often, I have been asked to "can it" because other people are so disturbed not by my opinion, but the idea that theirs isn't the only one. Frankly, I do not believe that this cordial censure is what this world needs. I believe that if we are willing to share our thoughts, we should be prepared to have them challenged.

    There is more to say, but for fear of coming off any colder, any darker, or any more aggressive, I will only reiterate that I am sorry for whatever actions I have taken to upset you so. Please accept this apology as an earnest one.
     
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    I have found my judgement on many teachers that use this site regardless of their grammar is simply that they care. I understand that this judgement could be wrong, but I choose to believe it, nonetheless.
     
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    My Judgment is;

    I think you are male,
    over 45,
    you teach in the SF Valley and
    you teach Middle school or High School

    (How Bad was I)
     
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    re: Tigers. I used to think that people who did not use standard English were stupid, uneducated, or otherwise lacking. I have since learned that I was the one lacking. When people use dialect, I immediately connect them to other people from whom I have heard similar language, but I no longer assume that they are less an intellectual because of it. Does that answer your question?

    And Irishdave, of course I'll build a sandcastle with you. Let's just build it where the water won't ruin it. :D :D
     
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    Ah no Daylight Savings in Arizona eh?
     
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    with 112° daytime temps. who wants Daylight LOL
     
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    I am still trying to figure out how exactly everyone can tell that I am male. But, save that everything else was quite incorrect. However, I have indeed taught in High School, just not anymore.
     
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    I'm going to say that Tigers is male, between 25 and 35, and teaches in an urban school district. Tigers, please don't hate me if I am very, very wrong. :/
     
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    But what I was guessing everyone would be wrong about was my "social caste."
     
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    I just threw in the SF Valley for spice
     
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    Would it help you to know that I had first assumed you were female?

    Your mastery of formal English empowers you with social anonymity.
     
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    Hey, you got it...

    but, currently I do not teach in an urban setting. However, I work with children who have circumstances most similar to unfortunate children in urban settings.
     
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    not to imply that children in urban settings are unfortunate.
     
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    I wouldn't bet on whom and hanged going away: after all, the plural of ox stubbornly remains oxen.

    (Funny things, languages...)
     
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    a little.


    I just can never seem to guess anyone's gender, on this site.
     
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    No Way Poe he writes like a man for sure. It is the Name when I see Tigers I think Winnie the Pooh, Unless you are reading it to your grand child or your kids I just do associate it with men.
     
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    I still use oft in everyday speach
     
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    Wait I did guess Irish Dave was a male. and I guessed that his name was Dave. Was I wrong?
     
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    I grew up in the SF Valley
     
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    But How old am I?








    (Truman was Pres when I was born )
     
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    SF is nice, but I prefer LA or SD
     
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    57?
     
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    Dark Poe, What made you change your views on the correlation between IQ and one's ability to speak well?
     
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    Tigers, oft I do not hear such things.
    (or)
    Tigers, oft? I do not hear such things.

    I love language.

    I use "unbeknownst" and "insofar as" quite regularly. So regularly do I use "unbeknownst," in fact, that several of my more attentive students actually tried using "knownst" in their essays last semester.
     
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    I would have likely said, "Dark Poe, I do not oft hear such things."

    Hopefully, this usage is not incorrect.

    Would you have marked your students down points if they had written unbeknownst as "'knownst."
     
  29. Irishdave

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    OK her is a question,
    A guy walk in to a room and and a Lady friend is in the Room as a friendly greeting he says "Hello Gorgeous"
    Now what if there are two Lady friends in the room what is the plural of gorgeous? ( I know gorgeous in not a noun but here it is being used as one), gorgi, gorgeouses?
     
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    close 55
     
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    gorgeous, still.
     
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    I realized that I wasn't that good at using English myself. As a sophomore, during a discussion with a high-school upperclassman, I thought I was speaking very eloquently and making a good point when an observant listener simply said, "Do your sentences ever end? You can pause instead of saying, 'Um...' And can you think of a better word for describing what someone is saying than, 'like?'" This person then went on to mock me and my "valley speak" and destroy whatever credibility I had going for me. The bell rang, mercifully, but I couldn't pass that group without them limp-wristing a wave and giving me a two-tone, lispy, "Hi-i."

    A couple days after my shutdown, I caught myself judging a Latina classmate because she never finished a thought without making it a question and adding, "You know?" (Pronounced "ju-NO") I thought about how frustrated I was because people didn't take the time to listen to what I was trying to say through my dialect, and realized I was no better. English class was a God-send every day after that, and I promised myself I'd do whatever I needed to in order to make sure that, at least when I could help it, people could really make themselves heard.

    So I decided to teach.
     
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    Night All I have duty in the morning.
     
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    No, you're right. "Oft" is an adverb, like "often," and therefore can be placed almost anywhere within the clause.

    I didn't mark them down, but I did give them a little red smile and suggested other, more contemporary ways to communicate the idea.

    Student sentence: "However, Proctor's internal struggle is knownst to the audience, and therefore this soliloquy creates dramatic irony."

    My remark: (approximate) ":) Knownst is, unfortunately, not a word that sees much use. Try making the audience the subject of this sentence. 'The audience is aware of...' 'The audience knows about...'"
     
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    I was hoping for a scenario that was not so deeply rooted in emotion, because then we could talk try to find a way teach others. But, alas, it seems as though adults need stronger conditions to break old habits.

    by the way, please do tell me if I am using oft in an incorrect fashion.
     
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    'Night!
     
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    Indeed. This was never explicitly explained to me, and it was only in a college level linguistics class that I began to develop the vocabulary to explain my frustration.

    If I can get my department chair's approval, I'm planning to teach what I like calling "observational" grammar. The whole-language thing isn't working for everyone, and I figure now is the opportunity to make some change in how we look at this language, however small.
     
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    do you teach teachers?
     
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    If not you should.
     
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    And now, I too must leave, lest I see dawns glow ere my sweet slumber.
     
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