I can definitely see your point about there being whole class excited over a particular lesson in which everyone is engaged. To be sure, I've never argued that skill groups are the most engaging or fun way to spend instructional time, nor is chemotherapy necessarily the most fun way to spend an afternoon if you have cancer. I guess, Tyler, I don't see it as either/or. I don't spend the entire day in skill groups working on basic skills. There are plenty of whole group activities that are engaging and community-building. But I also use skill groups. I don't see the forced dichotomy you're referring to. I think this is an area where we are probably similar. By no means are skill groups the only way of differentiating, personalizing, or otherwise addressing the individual needs of the learner. It sounds like you are still aware of individualization in the class format you choose. Or teachers who just find it effective. Honestly, this is where I think you'll build resentment and emotional discord with your comments & overall position. You've just made it personal. The whole "you just don't get it" kind of approach I don't think is very effective. For sake of keeping things on track, to summarize a bit: I think you've challenged those of us who use skill groups to be aware of the potential limitations, and to reconsider alternatives if possible. I value that contribution. Suggesting a strategy is helpful, though, is different from claiming that another strategy is universally, unequivocally destructive, as you've done with skill groups. Given that a number of teachers have successfully used skill groups and are not reporting the results you mention, the burden would be on you to provide evidence that they never work. I don't think it's appropriate in a professional conversation that you continue to assume your position is right, and others are wrong, when you've not yet established an empirical basis for your position, and responded to valid criticisms of the evidence you've provided. In short, I think you're operating in an intellectual vacuum - you've become entrenched in your own belief system, but you aren't responding specifically when those positions are challenged. This seems to be a recurrent pattern across threads, where we attempt to hold you accountable for the statements you make, but rather than following up and responding to those challenges, you tend to ignore those challenges, claim that you've already rested your case, and go on as if your position is well established, responding to other posters. You certainly have the right to do so, but I'd imagine over time folks will start to pay less attention and give less credibility to your positions. This would be a shame, because I do think you have a lot to contribute and seem like a very passionate & effective educator.