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  1. shandannon1

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    We just got our updated class list Friday. I teach Kindergarten and already have 23 in my room. I think this is too much! I am just curious as to how many a kinder class usually has. I thought that there was a limit on class size especially since it is Kindergarten.We still have til Tuesday where the parents can enroll their children so I am sure we will get even more. We don't even get an aide.:(
     
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    Last year I had 25 all year. This year I have 22 on my list, but registration is on going until after school starts (which is still a little less than a month left). 22 is too many for K, especially if you have kids that have not had any pre-school type experiences! I also do not have a para unless I happen to have severe sp. ed. kids. ( I usually do, but they think I can handle them, so they always tell me they don't have enough paras to go around! GRRRR!)
     
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    My numbers just changed and I am now up to 23 and 24 so far... still three weeks til school starts! This includes six fully integrated students with autism.
     
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    I've had as many as 26 and as few as 14. I share and aide with two other K rooms. She helps out with other classrooms in the morning and helps with the lunchroom too. She's always busy doing something. I wish K could keep her all to ourselves!!
     
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    I'm at 20, but the principal told me yesterday that I can go up to 23. I do have an assistant...which helps A LOT!
     
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    I am in a public Title 1 school and my max is 12. This is because I am in a smaller kindergarten classroom. But I agree that 23 kinder students is too many for one classroom and one teacher! How do you reach all the students individually? Whoa, I am counting my blessings only having 12 at my max.
     
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    I think 18 is the "limit" for K in my system.
     
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    Our limit in FL is 18. The past two years I have had 16 kids. Enrollment is down at our school and we only have 13 on each list, but we have many parents that enroll their children at the last minutes or even the first week of school.
     
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    I teach in a charter school with 25 full day kindergarten kids per classroom. I share one aide with three other teachers. I often think of how much more I would be able to get done if we had smaller class sizes...sigh. Because we also have a huge waiting list for our school, even if one moves mid year, there is always someone to fill that spot. Right now we have over 130 on our waiting list for Kindergarten alone!
     
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    TX law is 22:1 ratio in kindergarten. Our kinders usually have 22-23 all year long, no aide. You will need to check with your state regarding any ratio laws they may have, it varies greatly from state to state. When I student taught in kinder in Michigan I had 32 in each class all year w/out an aide.
     
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    I teach in Texas and our school tries to keep us at 18. Sometimes those numbers go up to 20 depending on the year, but they really try to keep it at 18.
     
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    Dang that is awful You need a aide with that many children. I teach 8th and I have 25 per class some classes a little less. Wow K needs an aide.
     
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    I teach in Texas and we had 22-23 in class all year long. However, the year before, each teacher had 16-18. We do not have aides. And yes, it is WAY too many kids for one teacher in Kinder.
     
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    Last year I had 19 by myself, which was okay for me. I think we can go up to 23 or 25.
     
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    In WV the 11th child gives you an aide...that being said last year I had 26 the first day! We did get another kinder teacher after the first week of school which took my number to 21. The new teacher could only take 10 students so the county wouldn't have to hire another aide to save $$$! This year I heard we have 80 registered so far and only 3 teachers! So I'll probably start with 26-27! More children always come that first day. My principal won't turn anyone away...out of district or not! After child 21 or 23? we get more pay.

    I can't imagine having no aide with more than 10 kids! Wow!
     
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    I usually have around 20 kids. This year we had an extremely low enrollment and I will only have around 16 (my smallest class ever!). My biggest class was 24 and no aide. My school actually puts on its website that the class ratio for the district is 15:1. We don't have any regular ed. rooms with this ratio. When I asked about it I was told that they take all of the kids in the district and divide it by the number of teachers on staff. So, all of the specialty teachers (speech, music, PE etc...) are counted in the ratio. Don't get me wrong, these teachers are extremely important, but they shouldn't be used to calculate the class ratios of the homerooms.
     
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    I agree! That is very misleading! :down:
     
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    32 with an aide.
     
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    Wow! It doesnt seem like they should include speech and the other specialty classes, because they had probably been counted already in their homeroom classes. It seems like they would be adding them twice.

    Whoops! My reply sounded confusing. I understand what your saying about the specialty teachers.
     
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    We're supposed to only have 18, but apparently this year I'll be starting with 21. I have a TA, so that'll help. I just hope we all fit...I have a small room!
     
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    29 is our cap. The most I've had is 26, though. Had 28 last year and we added a teacher, which took me down to 21. It was SOOO nice. I'd love to be at or below 20. And I think anything over 24 is simply way too many.
     
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    I heard that I'm going to have 18-21. I was told last year that each class had around 23 (no aid). I hope they give me a somewhat smaller class, since it's my first year.
     
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    18 kids

    We are only allowed 18 students in K-3, but we always end up with 20 or so. It's still a managable number. 15 would be ideal!!
     
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    30

    Usually, we stick to 20 per class. We're breaking class size reduction this year, thanks to budget cuts. We are expected to have 30 (no aide). The district is expecting to save $200,000 by doing so. I'm so nervous about it. Last year, I was designated as the overflow class, and started with 28. It was horrible. I cried every day. After a month, our enrollment eventually dropped, so ended up with 20. I will get my class roster next week. I don't know what we'll do if our enrollment is greater than the expected.
     
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    I had 36 last year with an aide, but it was very hard to manage!
     
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    I also teach in Texas and have had up to 26 with no aide. At our school we have a cap, but we are required to accept any child zoned to our school. What makes our classes larger is we have about 1/3 of our kids who come to us on a waiver from another zoned school. So we have to accept anyone who walks in the door until we reach our cap number of that many kids, but we may have another 10 from the waivers. None of our classes have any aides.
     
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    I guess large class sizes are an issue across the country. I didn't notice any Canadian teachers on this post (although I could have just breezed by). I wonder if they have similar issues up there??? I really wish there was a law or something that made it ILLEGAL to have more than 20 in a Kindergarten class :) Wouldn't that be nice? At least I know that I'll always have the same amount (25). It takes some of the wonder and anxiety over not knowing. I just plan for chaos :)
     
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    I had 21 in Texas when I taught first grade. I think 18-21 is a decent number for K-2.

    Over here in the department of defense schools they can have up to 30.

    This year I only have 8. If that. Don't hate me. :) It's a private school!
     
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    I have about 23 or 24 on my list now. Last year I had 25 but 17 boys, it was a long year. I do have an aid though. This year they are stepping up the support with the reading specialist and such b/c the students are coming in lower and lower every year.
     
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    Our school district eliminated class size reduction in order to go to a traditional schedule. That means Kinder can be up to 30. We always have at least 30 per class, sometimes 31 or 32. I have the morning teacher helping for 1.5 hours (out of 4).
    Believe it or not it is managable.
     
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    We haven't divided them up because we are testing and doing a staggard start the first 32 weeks. The enrollment changes daily.
    Right now we are at 40. We are hoping to have 3 Ks but we may end up with a K-1 class. The 1st -3rd grades are also over our limit of 20.

    I have a tiny room so I am hoping for 12 max. I had 18 last year with no aid.
     
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    Ditto!! Right now I am at 11 and the other teachers have 14 and 12. But they are still registering kids. So who knows. One year I had 22 and that was way too much. I managed with no aide, but I tried to get a parent in to help at least with center time.
     
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    Chicago ratio is 56 or something (because they allocate for 1/2 day K even though most are full day and principals are paying with discretionary funds). I think most Cap at 32 or something crazy though. (No aide).

    I debate for hours per kid at the end of pre-k if they can survive in a K room. Otherwise- they go to self contained special ed pre-k.
     
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    I've had up to 21 alone, as few as 14. This year the school has 4 K teachers and will share 2 aides. We have between 15-17 a piece, but when traditional calendar starts we will get more, when those parents realize their kid should have started at the beginning of the month. Ours is ongoing enrollment. We've had them register in January, and had never been anywhere. Of course she ended up being retained.

    I think all K classes should have an aide, and smaller classes.
     

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