Budget Cuts May Lead to 4 Day School Week

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  1. missrebecca

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    I was just talking about thus subject with my SO earlier today. I would love a 4 day week.
     
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    I am in favor!
     
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    The article states that most teachers' absences occur on Mondays and Fridays. It's a fact that we have the highest number of subs on campus on those two days. I'm sure it's probably universal, though.

    Moreover, in looking at students' absences and tardies, Mondays and Fridays are our two heaviest days by far!

    I don't envision a four-day school week in my district...ever.

    One more thing: I believe the article mentions that the district added 20 days to the school calendar and teachers weren't compensated for their time. Crazy! :dizzy:
     
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    Yeah... if my school added 20 unpaid days (sheesh, that's a whole month), I would be out of there in a heartbeat! Looks like they did it to get an increase in government financing.
     
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    But aren't they taking off 20 days from the year anyway by implementing 4 day work weeks? So it's not really adding 20 unpaid days.
     
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    Would teachers get the same salary?
     
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    How is any money being saved if the year is extended by 20 days?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to just switch to a 4-day week and extend each day by an extra hour and a half?
     
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    These were two separate events -- the school added 20 days a few years ago to get more money from the government, which drove away teachers because they were doing extra work without extra pay. Now they're thinking about changing to a 4 day school week in order to lower the cost of running the school. Transportation costs, air conditioning costs, etc. would all be reduced.

    Ms. Holyoke - I'm not sure if/how salaries would change -- they mentioned there would be a reduction in work hours for "classified employees."
     
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    Sounds like they need to sit down with a good accounting firm. Few employees will do extra work without compensation, but they need the government funding, and the extra child care costs could affect the community.
     
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    It comes up once in a while here too. I'd love it. The district saves money on busses and electricity.

    Parents always whine though. They expect free daycare five days a week. That's the only issue I've ever heard with the idea. Parents don't want to pay someone to watch their children that extra day a week.

    It really bothers me that a school system "can't" save money because of parent entitlement. They manage to pay someone to watch their kids on teacher workdays and during summer vacation.
     
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    This basically sums up why our district has not done it as well.
     
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    I interviewed at a school with 4 day weeks. Their school day was only about 45 minutes longer than the typical school day around here. They also had about 6 weeks spread out throughout the year that were 5 day weeks. The salary was low, but I think the main reason was that it was a rural area. All of the districts around that area had smaller salaries.
     
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    Some parents will also have to give them breakfast and lunch instead of getting it free 5 days a week. I've heard that argument too! :rolleyes:
     
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    In my town (and in most cities in my area of CA), free lunch is offered throughout the entire summer to anyone under the age of 18.
     
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    I honestly wouldn't mind a 4-day-week. It would take some getting used to and it would also require some tightening up of the ranks (classroom management), but it could be done.

    My only problem is that it just means that absences are more of an annoyance. Field trips are more of an annoyance. Testing is more of an annoyance.


    Can you believe I have students that come back after a field-trip or absence and expect me to spoon feed them? I point at my absence bin every time and they look at me like a wet dog.

    If student's were held more accountable for their absences and make-up work then this could work.


    Edit: I wanted to add that this is high school. 15-16 year old's. Also, I like seeing [some of] my students every day of the week.
     
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    I agree with the parents. This will increase childcare costs and make the school day longer. We all know how attentive students are at the end of the day, so I doubt this will lead to better instruction. Great idea maybe for high school, but for the young kids, they will be the largest losers with this plan.
     
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    We have this too.
     
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    As a teacher, I'd be okay with a 4 day schedule. As a parent, I'd be absolutely livid.
     
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    How would teachers get through all of the curriculum with a 4 day week?
     
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    It should be extended days, so same amount of time.

    Love the idea as an adult, not a fan of the idea as a 4th grade teacher.
     
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    The article confuses me. First, they are losing teachers because they added 20 extra school days to the calendar so they need a change. But instead of going back to 180, they want to cut it down to 161. It's a 180 degree switch. Why not just go back to 180 days if that was the main issue?

    Also, from the article..

    "Depending on the Board’s decisions, a four-day schedule could save Littleton $250,000 to $500,000 a year from areas such as electricity usage, transportation and a reduction in classified employees’ hours, he said."

    So, doesn't that mean that teacher salaries will be cut? How is that going to attract more teachers to the district?



    If my district wanted to cut us down to 4 days a week without changing the start and end dates and only adding 15-25 minutes per day, I can see a lot of advantages for that. As a working parent, I would love an extra day off to get things done. And I agree that there are a lot of student absences on Mondays and Fridays.

    The disadvantages that I see are -

    - Issues with childcare for working parents
    - One student absence would be that much more of a problem, because it would mean the loss of 25% of the instruction for the week (as opposed to (20%).
    - Unfortunately, it would only fuel the perception of some that teaching is basically a part-time job with summers off and a four-day work week.

    BTW, my lovely governor already wants to add time to the school day plus add additional school days. He just doesn't want to fund it. :rolleyes:
     
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    Where I work teachers are considered certificated while Janitors, secretaries, food service..etc are considered classified. So they would save money by reducing the pay of classified, not the teachers.
     
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    Got it. Thanks. I was not familiar with the term "classified staff" and assumed it meant the same as certified.

    One more thing that I don't understand. How can they eliminate one day per week, keep the same number of weeks and instructional hours, and it would only amount to any extra 15-25 minutes per day?

    If the school day is 6 hours long (at a minimum), wouldn't that be 90 additional minutes each day, for the 4 remaining days to compensate for the missed day - unless my math is off. :p
     
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    A few years ago my state had teacher furloughs--4 day weeks and teachers' pay reduced. It was awesome, but it cost me about $6,000 in take home pay.
     
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    Even if I've never done it, I'd love it. But yes, I've worked in the schools with a 4-day schedule before & that was just my personal schedule, so my days weren't extended. Yes, I LOVED it. :thumb:
     
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    I think it would be detrimental to the reputation of teachers. There is already enough people who think teachers don't work hard or long enough.
     
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    I see what you mean, but they're really not working less. The school days & school year have to be longer with a 4 day week, and they usually have professional development meetings on Friday, so teachers work about the same amount as in a "normal" school.
     
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    I know that, and you know that, but no amount of saying that will convince the general public of that.

    I myself work 10 hours Monday-Thursday so I can leave at noon on Friday. However, I still have people who accost me on Friday afternoons and accuse me of "not working".
     
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    We had a program like this when I was in elementary school, why my district did it, I don't know. We went four days per week, but our school days were an hour longer than they should have been. Parents loved it, teachers loved it, kids loved in, in general, everyone loved it.
     
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    I WOULD LOVE a four day week. I'm not a parent, so I can't say how I'd feel for that. I wish THE WHOLE NATION would go to a four day work week. Imagine how much happier and healthier everyone would be?
     
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    Well not eveyone should have a 4 day work week. Only teachers :lol:
     
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    I've said this for years. Then you would have one day for chores and work around the house, one day for errands and activities, and one day for relaxation/fun.
     
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    I see a lot of benefits to a four-day week. As a parent and a teacher, daycare wouldn't be a problem for me!
     
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    Do you see benefits to the students?
     
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    I don't really care about the reputation of teachers. If people respect teachers, they respect them. If they don't, they don't. Changing to a four day work week won't affect that.

    I'd love a four day work week, but compensating by extending the hours in a school day is a bad idea. In my opinion school day should be 9-3. Anything longer is just too much for the kids!!
     
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    Because out of a 6.5 hour day you have recess, lunch, specials, etc... We don't have 6.5 hours of instructional time per day. Unless the district is extended school year and giving that up, it should be more 45-60 minutes per day added, not 15-20.
     
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    In my district "classified staff/employees" are the paras and non-certified staff.
     

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