Board votes to dismiss all Providence teachers / Video

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  1. Major

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    WOW!!!!!
     
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    It's heartbreaking. And what I haven't heard (can someone enlighten me?) is what benefit the mayor gets from "terminating" rather than simply laying them off. Is there some sort of financial incentive for that?
     
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    As I understand it, he isn't under any obligation to hire back anyone in particular. So he can hire newer (cheaper) teachers if he choose, regardless of seniority.
     
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    So if he simply laid them off, he couldn't do that?
     
  7. Aliceacc

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    That's what I got from the article: that if he had laid them off, they would have to be re-hired on a seniority basis.
     
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    From what I understand, if the teachers are laid off and then they go back and rehire some of them, it HAS to be based on seniority. If teachers are terminated, they can pick and choose who to rehire, and seniority is not a factor. Also, those teachers who are not rehired will also now have to put that they've been terminated on applications for future jobs as well as on their applications to renew their teaching licenses- which may result in them not even being able to renew their license.

    Things like this are heartbreaking to see. To think that conditions are SO bad for teachers, yet there are so many unemployed teachers just dying to even get into the field who can't. And to top it all off the general public is extemely ignorant and unsupporative. Most of the comments at the bottom of that article refer to "spoiled" teachers who are "paid to much to do hardly any work". I'd love to see them try to run a classroom for just a few weeks...
     
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    Wow. As a parent, I'd be extremely concerned at the quality of education my child is going to get for the rest of the year.
     
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    Yeah. It says this happened last night; today must have been a brutal day in Providence schools.
     
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    I'm wondering for older teachers- would age discrimination laws go into effect?
     
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    Wow!
     
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    Perhaps while watching the video I was looking for villians, but I can't help it...the board members seemed so cold as they watched the teachers speak. But I could have felt that only because I'm so disgusted by this.
     
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    As a non-public school teacher, I'm probably among the least qualified here to answer.

    But I don't think the laws guarantee you a job simply because you're older, they just prevent you from being eliminated because of your age. So if some older teachers were re-hired, but not me, I don't think I could claim age discrimination.
     
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    Not unless you could prove a pattern...say you reviewed the records and figured out that they didn't hire anybody back with more than 20 years experience, hence, the older workers. You would then have a basis to bring a lawsuit.

    I don't know how strong it would be. Is 3sons around to comment?
     
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    I'm more than a little disappointed that a president, who courted the teachers' union and was endorsed by that same union at election time, hasn't spoken up on this issue (to my knowledge, anyhow). Last year, he actually applauded the initial firing of the entire staff in that one Rhode Island high school. (While it was later rescinded, that doesn't change the fact that he supported the initial firing.) In fact, I don't recall ANY comments from the White House in support of us.
     
  18. Major

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    This is a very tricky mine field for the Prez...... I believe (not 100% sure) it was Jimmy Carter and a lot of democrats who ended collective bargaining for federal workers......
     
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    Holy smokes! I just saw this in that last article:

    SIXTY students/classroom??? That is insanity!
     
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    I read about this first on perezhilton.com of all places. His suggestion was why don't they fire all the accountants and finance people who created the budget crisis in the first place. Sounded like a good point to me!
     
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    I have some questions. Don't you have to have cause to terminate a person? If the reason is the budget isn't that by definition a layoff? If these teacher were going to be fired then couldn't they resign and therefore not have a termination on their records?
     
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    Not sure, but I would think they woudn't want to resign in hopes of being hired back...
     
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    That is absolutely crazy.
     
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    I feel for the teachers in Providence.
     
  25. Aliceacc

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    And the kids as well.
     
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    This is so disheartening. When I working on my BA and teacher certification, I don't ever recall such an anti-teacher mentality out there. It really is quite sad.
     
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    I wonder what those currently getting an "education" degree think of this whole thing...... Hopefully some will consider a backup degree in case the education arena goes from bad to worse.......
     

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