Behavior Problems

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  1. natjoejag

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    I have just began school and I have a major behavior problem. I have a student who is constantly wondering or rolling on the floor. He walks out of class without asking, and often without me seeing him. He is constantly touching other kids, even hurting. He has told me he is going to kill me when he gets older and chop my head off several times. If he doesn't get his way he lays on the floor and wails to the top of his lungs. He plays with everything around him. He is smart, but claims he doesn't know how to do anything. He does nothing with the class, he waits until we are all finished and then he hurries and finishes it.
    He is constantly talking about aliens, destoring all of humanity, pokeman, and other things. His mom just put him in counseling, but has decided she doesn't want him on his ADHD medication. HELP???? I may be getting an aide to help, but for now I am lost.
     
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  3. bonteach

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    Document, Document, Document!!!
    Make sure you get a release to speak with the counselor and make sure your adminstrators are aware of everything. If you ever feel threatened or feel that students are make sure to get another adult quickly. Dont be afraid to get advice from law enforcemen either. This student sounds truly troubled!
    Good Luck
     
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    I am not one to label, but I think this young man is exhibiting several symptoms of an EMH child. He needs help... NOW.
     
  5. MISTY BLUE

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    I am not a teacher first off. I found this site by accident and started to browse around to find stuff to help with teaching my daughter. So with that said it sounds like he is extremely bored in class which is common for adhd kids. I know it sounds like alot more work but you say he is really smart. I would try to find a way to get something set up for just him. what i mean is that a lesson plan that includes his interest(the non violent ones). I would also try to find something maybe a grade higher to set a challenge for him. just a test to see if it works for him. i read the information on emh kids and he does not sound like he is not getting the information because he is still doing his work and from the way it sounds doing it right.
    Now more onto the adhd. If the mom quit giving her child his meds at once and not slowly he could be having a reaction. it is not good to stop them me to stop quickly. I feel the mother needs to come to an understanding that even though she does not want her kid on meds(which is her right) she needs to do other things than just the councling. there are diets she can incorporate(my sister in law has been doing this for sometime with her son and he is on the extreme side of adhd). she needs to understand that you are a teacher and that it is your job to make sure that everyone in the class gets his or her education and he is disrupting that and that is not fair to the other children or you. You have enough on your plate. I am sure she is feeling a little lost too. one last suggestion. adhd kids also need to have a schedule. print up a schedule of the next days activities so for one he will know and also let the mom know you will be doing this so she can do her part and go over it with him at night and in the morning before school. i do have one question does the mom seem like she wants to get this undercontrol or is she just on the give up stage?
     
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    One last thing. You said he does not interact with the other kids or the class.He knows something is wrong with him and just doesnt know what or how to deal with it. the kids probably pick on him and he cant figure out what is wrong with himself to control it. He is to young to understand on the most part. I dont know. I feel for this kid because he sounds so much like my sister in laws son and i know how the family was when she first started to come around with him. Nobody liked him and they are the adult. kids are much meaner.I know on your end you must feel tired and just at a loss to deal with someone out of control. my suggestions are only suggestions but if they work(or some other ideas) he will remember you as the one person that gave him a chance and didnt run(besides mom)!!
     
  7. AuburnTeach

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    I had a child like this in my first grade classroom last year. I believe that no child has the right to disrupt the learning of the rest of the class. If this child is a threat to the learning or safety of the other students or is a safety threat to you, he simply should not be in your classroom.

    It took until March, but the student in my room was given an aide. She removed him from the room immediately when he was disruptive or refused to work. He also received EEN services because he was diagnosed with EMH.

    Can you talk with the teacher who worked with this child last year to find out how he/she handled the situation?

    I agree with documenting everything. It takes extra time, but you'll have a record of his behavior as well as interventions that you have tried.

    I know how frustrating it is for you, the child, and your other students. Talk to other teachers, even if just to vent, and get the principal involved. Be insistent and persistent about getting help for this child. And, hang in there. Good luck.
     
  8. taurusmag

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    I had a student like this my first year. It was so stressful that I could literally feel my blood pressure rise! I know how hard this is, but it really goes by quicker than you think. I would definitely document everything. I kept a personal journal in a spiral notebook on the kid (what he did and intervnentions I tried) as well as all of the regulation documentation - I really felt like one of the other parents might sue me (I was told that I was liable if something happened to one of the other students even though I was in fear for my own safety and powerless to protect them)! Also, fill out your STAT paperwork and get him tested as soon as possible. There are so many steps in the special ed process that you will probably not get him out of the regular classroom this year; however you can begin the process of getting this child the help that he needs. If it is as severe as my situation was, you may be able to do it sooner. The child I had was finally moved to an adaptive behavior class by February of that year, much to the relief of the entire class. But, the documentation and special ed process had begun the previous year. Also, is he new to your school? See if you can obtain records from any previous schools about his special ed background. Many times parents are in denial about the help their child needs. They will simply switch schools to avoid the whole special ed process and hope the new school never finds out. If you can get previous records, you won't have to start the process from the beginning. Hope this helps!

    Good luck!
    Taurus :)
     
  9. loves2teach

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    I think that you need to speak with the principal or the counselors. We had a student who would threaten like that and they removed him to a behavior class. I do not think that he is bored, I think that he is pushing his limits, and is used to getting his way.
     
  10. collteach

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    I have had several ADHD students in my 5 years of teaching, and this student seems to have problems that are much worse than ADHD. I had a student with Aspbergers Syndrome and ODD (oppositional defiance disorder) and he was more like the student you are describing. However, he was not even quite so disruptive or aggressive.

    As others have stated DOCUMENT everything! I would even suggest that you document the times when he is doing his work, leaving the other students alone, etc. That way, you can see if there is a pattern to his disruption, and you can also figure out what things seem to capture his attention. If you have a supportive administration or guidance counselor, I would make them aware each and every time he threatens you. And be sure to document this for yourself. Just because he has some issues, does not mean that he should be able to get away with threatening you or the students. There should be some appropriate consequences set up. I found our school psychologist to be a wonderful resource in dealing with severe behavior problems. So, that might be one person who can come in and observe and help with strategies.

    Hang in there! It is wonderful that you are getting an aid, and in the meantime, just try to be patient. I found with my student who had Aspbergers/ODD, the more stressed and upset I was, the more disruptive he became.
     
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    Well it is hard not seeing the child but this DOESN'T seem like "Classic" ADHD to me. It sounds like a kid (from your description) that could be somewhere on the autism spectrum, have some OCD issues, have ODD, or sensory issues.
    Try reading "the explosive child" by ross greene..
    Also I went to a workshop about ADHD sometimes being an "envionmental problem" sometimes vs. a kid problem. We had an interesting discussion on medication. I for one am usually a "medication as a last resort" type of person. The medications take away a lot of positive charachteristics about the children as well.
    Anyway I am about to head out the door I just wanted to throw out that it sounds like something other than ADHD is at cause here.
     
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    Oh and I think we are all used to our own labels... I guess I and all of us should try to be more aware that they aren't standardized--- I am assuming when you all speak of EMH you mean what we would call ED/BD OR EBD emotionally and behaviorally disturbed. Here EMH stands for Educable Mentally Handicapped which is the new term here for Mildly Mentally Retarted. In Wisconsin we called that CD for cognitivley disabled.
     
  13. natjoejag

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    Thanks for all of your suggestions! It has been a huge struggle, he is so used to getting his own way. He is very stubborn, though. He doesn't back down. On Monday we are having a parent-teacher-principal conference to see what we can do to help. I guess last year the mom came and sat in the class and she finally just took him home. She said he is pretty much the same way at home but doesn't have any siblings that are really around and so he doesn't have anyone really bothering him. He pretty much gets what he wants at home. I've had the past Kindergarten teacher tell me that she thought he had Aspbergers, her son has it and she seems to know quite a bit about it. She said she approached the parent about this and she did not want to hear it. Oh, well! I guess I will survive the year.
     
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    Hopefully this parent will be more open-minded this year. I know so many children with Aspbergers. With treatment, they all do so well. Most are very intelligent, and really just need help with social skills and learning how to cope with change. It is not fair to the child, or the rest of the students for things to continue like they are. You will surely have to start dealing with other parents having issues with what is going on the classroom, and that is not fun at all.
     
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    I am the teacher of child just like the one you described. He is ED, ODD, has a detachment disorder and is bipolar. My student has been in and out of facilities. This being his last placement before the state steps in and takes the student away from his mom. He takes a long list of meds and his file I swear is two binders full. I am a first year teacher and let me tell you I know exactly were you are coming from. Luckily I just have him in my class full time. I have 5 other students that I service but they are out in regular classrooms as much as possible. I had a behavior specialist come to room last week and here are some of the suggestions that he gave me. Not sure if they will work in your room but at least you can think about them. Having a picture schedule for your studnet. I am going to have two different picture schedules. One that breaks the day into big parts. Like Arrival, pledge breakfast. This one is posted on the wall and will never change. Then anoher one that break the day down even further. This one is smaller. Both he and I can manipulate it. When I manipulate it its so that we can move math to reading or whatever in case he is having a bad day and I know that we arent going to get to it. He manipulates it when has finished the task at hand. I think this is called the PEX system. I could be wrong. It is used for autistic children mainly but can be used for those who dont read. The pictures have both a picture that represents what is being done but also the words. Also the specialist said that we should put our rooms into centers and move him around the centers during the day. That way he is up and moving. My student HATES sitting for long periods of time unless we are watching a movie. So try to let him move around as much as possible. The other thing is I have tons of help. Not only do I have a part time aid but this student has a full time aid. It nice and I know that not all districts have this but I am lucky and I truely know this. Let me know if you need anything else. If nothing else we can "cry " on each others shoulder.
     
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    I would suggest STRONGLY to the parent she get a thorough physical exam for the child. Offer to put your concerns in writing to share with the doctor. They will send you forms to fill out so the doc can have your information on the child. At least in my town, the doctors are very cautious and do not medicate casually. Find out why she is so opposed to the medication if it was recommended by a physician. Have an honest talk with her--right now is she happy with the situation? Is her child? Is the school? Fellow students do not like pesky pals! I am NOT a med pusher, but I tell parents we don't want zombies, we want students who can learn and interact with others. I'm blunt with the fact the kid annoys everyone, and he/she even annoys him/herself! ADHD (if that is what it is) kids can not control themselves-they know they are annoying but are incapable of stopping. When their attention is centered, they are incredibly creative, bright, well liked kiddos. The poor little guy sounds miserable; is that what she wants? Again, it is a medical diagnosis and I'm not a doctor, but it's often surprising to the parents when you fill out the forms independently (school and home) and you can SEE the commonalities in the graphs. Your school psych should be able to set you up with these. Good luck!!:)
     
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    As a SpEd teacher, I would strongly encourage you to keep a daily journal of the student's activities, as well as asking other teachers in the building (music, PE, library) to jot down notes as well. If he displays this type of behavior in more than one location (not just your classroom), that may be an indicator of other issues you may or may not be aware of. Bring your concerns to your referral team and your grade level team to brainstorm ideas, and involve the parents as much as you can. I agree with the previous post regarding a physician's exam. Of course you cannot diagnose, nor can we in this forum, but an exam coupled with your documentation of his behavior, his parent's documentation of his behavior in and out of the home, and his previous medical history should lead you somewhere. You should not have to deal with any outbursts or interruptions in your teaching for very long. It's not okay for any student to continue to disrupt your teaching and other student's learning over and over again without some sort of intervention. Good luck!
     
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    You are VERY close-- it is PECS - Picture Exchange Communication System-- MOST SCHOOLS or Systems have access to a program called "boardmaker" the new versions allow you to import your own pictures into the program.

    If there is a constant fight with the mom (who is probably in denial) maybe the social worker can help? We had a parent very much in denial who fought us the whole way. Finally at the IEP meeting she was like I do think he learns differently--- IT IS TOUGH on parents. I am not one-- but like the rest of you I want my "perfect" children one day. Ya Know? It is hard to hear that their is something wrong with your baby and that leaves a lot of guilt. Is there a reason she is scared of the SPED system? Maybe someone told her something bad about it and scared her? Maybe she is worried her child will be removed from his peers all day etc.... Just thoughts---
     
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    Threats to teachers are taken extremely serious here, no matter what grade...Its an automatic trip to the principal's office AND phone call to the police.
     

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