I am posting because I simply don't know what to do anymore. I don't have any specific questions but am open to any advice anyone has. I suppose I'm more venting than anything but would happy to follow any plan that anyone has had success with in the past. I have two fairly difficult students in my class this year. Nothing that either one does is completely unbearable on its own. The problem is there is just never a break for me and my class. If one is having a good moment/hour/day, the other one is having one of their worst. And on a day (like today) where they're both having issues...look out! Student one really does want to do well. She is a major attention seeker however. It really doesn't matter to her if it is positive or negative as long as someone is paying attention to her. She is constantly shouting out about random topics that typically have nothing to do with anything we're doing in class. I've mainly broken this habit by a combination of reminders, consequences, and ignoring. However, when another adult (teacher, aid, couselor, anyone) comes in the room it starts right back up. Asking questions that she doesn't really need to ask, telling random stories, interupting the adults while they're working with others. This student also has no interest in trying on anything that she does. Her work is rushed through, she sometimes turns in completely or half blank work, doesn't correct anything when given more help and asked to fix the work, etc. She also disrupts those around her by making strange noises, talking to them, staring at their work until they react, etc. And finally this student is completely unable to control herself in specials. It does not matter if she's having a fantastic day with me...it never fails, the report from the specialists is always that she was a distraction in one way or another. Student two really is a sweet kid and a bit hard to figure out. He has been diagnosed with ADD and he has a bit of a "different" personality. What I mean by that is he seems very "numb" for lack of a better word. It never seems to phase him at all when he has negative or positive consequences. He speaks in a very monotone voice and cannot seem to stop even when someone demonstrates how to speak with expression (actually read/repeat with expression during reading group) He cannot focus for more than a few seconds without crossing his eyes, putting his fingers in/around his mouth or nose, tapping his pencil, zoning out, etc. His behavior is not quite as much of a disruption (except for when some of those behaviors are causing nose) but is exhausting to me because I cannot leave him to his own devices for even a few minutes if I want anything to be accomplished. If he goes anywhere near student one his behavior escalates to disruptive talking, uncontrollable laughing (at nothing), making noises on purposes with his hands, nose, mouth and objects, etc. The first student is on her own behavior chart that is different from the rest of the class. If she earns a certain amount of points she gets a prize chosen from a list that she made. She earns the points by staying on task without more than 3 warnings for a block of time. We have yet to ever make it to the reward even though I've lowered the expectations for the # of points needed once already. I constantly try to give her as much positive attention as possible. However it really doesn't seem to work. No amount of attention is ever enough so she seems to revert to the negative behaviors to get even more. Her parents are midly supportive but are quick to defend her behavior in most cases. I'm getting the feeling the additional chart is annoying them because it clearly points out each misbehavior throughout the day which I'm sure is overwhelming (it also has good behaviors on it as well). The second student is more challanging to me. Most of his behaviors trully are caused by the ADD. He is not taking any medication but his doctor has suggested diet pop in the mornings before school. I think I can see a difference on the days he actually drinks it but it doesn't seem like they're even doing that method consistently. His parents acknowledge notes sent home about behavior and have spoken to me when I've requested. They're always polite but they seem to be resigned to "he has ADD so this is how he behaves". I have placed velcro on his desk for a stimulus to rub while he did his work but he just picked it off. A cardboard divider doesn't seem to help because he's more distracted by his own body, pencil, and his own thoughts than he is with anyone or anything around him. I break his work down into pieces...sometimes that works and sometimes he can't even compelete one thing. Today was a particullarly bad day because they were both having an off afternoon. I ended up sending them both out of the room (to another room) and a note home because of their constant disruption while other groups were performing puppet shows they've worked all week on (these two unfortunately had already had to have been removed from their groups because of their disruptions to their group and refusal to cooperate. Student one for attention. Student two for a combination of attention and his ADD). Overall I guess I was just venting but again, if you see something I'm missing or a way to tweak what I'm doing please, please, please share. I have such a fantastic class this year otherwise and if I could just help these two gain control of themselves it would be such a peaceful, productive remainder of the year!