Asking for it?

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  1. kcjo13

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    Is Elisabeth Hasselbeck implying that Erin Andrews was asking for it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAglAS38xPs

    I just saw this on someone's FB page, and thought it was interesting, especially in light of the sex offender discussion going on right now.

    Any thoughts or opinions? Is she asking for it by dressing the way she has been on DWTS?
     
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    Elisabeth apologized today.
     
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    Did she? I didn't see it today. I'll see if I can find an updated video.
     
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    I think she is ...


    I will stop there , I am not a fan of hers so I wont add my 2 cents.
     
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    I was shocked to hear Elisabeth say this on yesterday's show, but it should be known that she offered a really heartfelt apology on today's show. It made me tear up a bit listening to her apologize because it was clear that she knew she was wrong.

    Imo, saying Erin was asking for it is almost saying every woman asks for it by wearing clothes that are perceived as sexy. Should we all wear potato sacks? If we show a bit of skin and then get stalked, all of a sudden, we were asking for it?
     
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    A family member of mine was sexually assaulted, and I was horrified and offended by Elizabeth's remarks. On the other hand, we all make mistakes, and the important thing is that later we make our mistakes right. I believe Elizabeth attempted to do that.
     
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    Here is the apology video.

    Again, the discussion on sexual predators prompted me to ask this question. The double standard that applies here (plenty of the gentlemen from that show leave not much to the imagination) is prevalent.

    I found Elisabeth's comments detestable, which obviously she knows now, as does her daughter.
     
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    Sadly, there are people who believe that a woman who dresses skimpy or show skin are asking to be sexually assaulted, stalked, and/or raped. :mad: Nobody is ever asked to be sexually assaulted, stalked, and/or raped because of the way they are dressed or where they are walking/sitting/etc. It's like saying: A person deserves to be robbed because they had their wallet in their back pocket or their purse on their shoulder.

    Even, if a woman was covered from head to toe, they can still be sexually, assaulted, stalked, and/or raped. Most of these types of incidents are somewhat predominantly caused by acquaintances/friends (esp. in case of rape).

    Plus, men can be sexually assaulted, stalked, and/or raped but I don't see people saying it happened because they were wearing skimpy/tight clothes. The double standard drives me crazy.

    I am glad that she apologized and changed her view. I wish others would share in the view that women are not asking to be sexually assaulted, raped, and/or stalked by the way that they dress.
     
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    I do not watch Dancing with the Stars, but I have actually been quite bothered by the dancers' wardrobes for some time. I find the costumes to be inappropriate...but I know I'm backwards. But despite thinking this, Elisabeth was wrong. And, for the record, I've seen her wear plenty revealing outfits.
     
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    I ignore everything Elizabeth says, if I listen to her words I get infuriated.
     
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    I've long wondered how Barbara puts up with her!
     
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    It's a double standard for sure and I hate it.

    But, tell that to someone who's a little wacko to start with, there are many irrational people out there and may find the temptation irresistible.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a double standard.

    I'd feel safer on a dark street wearing a full length coat than a bikini. Men's body parts aren't always rational either.

     
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    People at the beach wear much less than that-I guess they'd deserve to be followed back to their hotel rooms too. That purple dress was long sleeved-I know it was a nude color between-but it really wasn't revealing at all! It's an unbelievable comment to make and I'm glad there was some backlash from it.

    She's forgetting that sexual crimes often have nothing to do with sex-it's about power. I think very often we want to blame the victim, because we want to believe there was something we could have done differently to avoid that kind of situation-fact of the matter is, it was one person's fault-the intruder!
     
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    Ballroom dance costumes are designed to bring attention to certain features of a woman's body, as are the dance moves of certain ballroom styles. What she is wearing on the show is entirely appropriate for the styles of dancing she is doing (from what I understand based on video clips. I don't watch the show regularly.)

    Maybe Elisabeth is worried her brother-in-law will be looking at her on the sidelines instead of worrying about the game...
     
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    I think she was wrong even if she did aplogize for it. I had a teacher in high school who went on a long tirade about how anything that happens to you is of your own doing. I stood up in class and asked if that meant that it was my fault I had been raped 2 years earlier as a freshman. He looked at me and said 'yes.' I walked out went to the principal's office and demanded a meeting and to be removed from his class. Then refused to go back until it was all taken care of.
     
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    I think what she said is wrong even if she apologized. I also think that Elisabeth spouts off about things she knows nothing about on a regular basis without giving it any thought at all. Most of the time when confronted with facts she shrugs them off and sticks to her original position no matter what.
     
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    Talk about backwards thinking teaching-n-2. Can't believe someone could look you in the eye and try to say that!
     
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    Teaching-n-2, that is really unfortunate. I remember when a local high school girl died in a car accident a few years after her brother died. My mom seemed to be thinking hard and said, "I just wonder what her parents did to deserve that." I asked her what she meant. "Well, clearly God is punishing the parents for something they've done." I didn't take to her line of reasoning.

    Regarding Elisabeth, I actually like her. But I agree her, um, passion gets the better of her and her senses sometimes.
     
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    I can't stand The View. I think all of the women on there get on their soap boxes and pontificate all the time. Elisabeth certainly isn't the only one. I cannot stand Joy Behar. She is just as guilty of saying inappropriate things as Elisabeth is. And I seem to recall Whoopie making the statement that the CHILD Roman Polanski RAPED was asking for it too. (it wasn't rape-rape after all:rolleyes:)
     
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    HATE the View! HATE it! I think they ALL can be hypocrites...but when this woman is in trouble EVERYONE comes down on her. It's ridiculous!

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    Didn't see the show...just watched the clips.

    watched the first one twice after reading post #1...is she saying she "ASKED" for it.

    NO. She never said that. She said that in light of what brought Erin into the public eye before the show (and though she was a sportscaster, MOST of the world didn't know her)..they are dressing her rather skimpily. And it is TRUE! And she mentioned that the guy could have probably seen anything he was looking for more clearly without jailtime NOW. I have to say... I agree.

    That ISN'T saying at ALL that Erin ASKED for it. That is simply saying that WOW...that show dresses women as LITTLE as possible! Sometimes...I think it's a step above (and sometimes IS) soft porn. If I had young kids still .. I'm not sure I would want them watching some of those outfits. Those are NOT bathing suits...some are merely pasties and sequences put in strategic places.

    Do NOT try to say that ABC isn't going for the "sex" ratings with the ladies clothing (no--not talking about the older or larger women....but the young beautiful ones). If men watch the show at all... you think they are watching for Len and Bruno's matching attire (that is if their significant others aren't in control of the remote)? They (ABC) will even list the women as saucey, steamy, hot, and sexy. So someone says...hey this woman was just the victim of a sex crime...and now you dress her like this? Isn't this promoting oggling at women?

    I don't think at ALL that Elisabeth said ANYONE was asking for it...but rather... oh my gosh, those outfits are nearly criminal themselves.

    But then... that Erin Adrews took offense..and said she was very hurt????? THAT hurt you???? Honey - you must has skin less than paper thin. THAT wasn't even a slam at YOU! It was a comment on the outfits that ABC is putting the women in.

    That she had to aplogize - well, i don't think it was needed...BUT offense was taken so she did. I think Elisabeth is a big woman to call a spade a spade...and then apologize to a woman (not because she cut her down) but because someone feelings were hurt whether they SHOULD have been or not.

    Erin - you had no reason to be upset at these comments. If you want to be upset - consider the hypocritical producers who degrade the ladies by putting these outfits on primetime, pimp you out, and then condem a host for having the guts to say "the emperor has no clothes". (I wonder if you are upset at the comment or if others who twist ANYTHING that came out of Elisabeth's mouth made it inot something it wasn't..and you had to react.)
     
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    Adding to my post after further consideration...

    I just talked to my husband about it and thinks the reaction to this is "ridiculous". I watched the clip again and read McKenna's reply, and I realized I missed the entire question in the original post.

    Was Elisabeth implying Andrews asked to be violated? No, I don't think she was at all. Her point was that given the fact that Andrews was violated, she feels the woman would have dressed less provocatively. Well, and she might have implied she should dress less provocatively...I'm not saying she's right, but I am saying she didn't imply Andrews asked to be violated. Okay, well, actually I do think she should wear more, but that is completely unrelated to the peeping incident...I think they all should dress more appropriately.

    I still think Elisabeth was wrong in saying the man is probably kicking himself for just not waiting to see her on Dancing with the Stars, because as much as I dislike the costumes on the show, he clearly saw more than the nation is seeing on the dance show, and he saw it without her consent while clearly Andrews is willingly baring so much on the show now. And just because you are violated in a sexual manner does not mean you should stop being a sexual creature.

    I hope everyone understands my take on this. I think the topic of the costumes is a worthy topic and Elisabeth could have chosen to speak more generally about the lack of coverage on the dancers.
     
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    I understand your POV JustMe. This could have went in such a different direction by Elisabeth choosing just a few other words. If she would have shown OTHER dancers outfits (Edyta comes to mind-pick any of her outfits), and point out that, in her opinion, the show is oversexualizing the women, her point would have been much better taken. In fact, many people would have probably agreed with her!

    One of the other women wisely (I think) pointed out that when Andrews is on the show, she is getting paid to perform. In her hotel room, she is not. It's about choices.

    I think Elisabeth's problem is she suffers from the inability to SHUT UP when necessary, and think before she speaks!
     

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