American Sniper

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  1. kcjo13

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    Well, I saw it.

    Stunned. Silence. That's all I can say.

    It's going to take me a while to process the movie, the story, everything.

    I do have a question...was the movie made (or planned to be made) before he was killed? If so, I wonder how it would have ended (no spoilers-it's been news since 2013).
     
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    Stunned. Silence. This is accurate when hearing the horrors first hand.
     
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    I haven't seen the movie yet. I do think of him as a hero, as I do every man and woman who has chosen to serve our country. I respect people who don't feel this way. However, the simple truth is that we enjoy the liberties and freedoms we have thanks to our service men and women. This fact doesn't change depending on a person's stance on the situation. :2cents:
     
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    I totally agree. It has been a week for me and I am still processing it.

    Yes, the book was on the best seller list and Bradley Cooper had bought the movie rights a little while before Chris was killed. He only got to speak to Chris once. Good question about the ending. Who knows....movie land often makes stuff up, but he had promised Chris that he would honor his family.
     
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    Unbroken is the book to read about a soldier who overcame things no mortal human could imagine. It is still on the NYT BSL. Have not seen the movie.
     
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    Here's a pretty comprehensive comparison of the movie and real life.

    DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK if you do not want to read spoilers. You can scroll down and read about Kyle's real life, compared to claims he made, without many movie spoilers.

    http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/american-sniper/
     
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    I like and admire Chris Kyle .... and would want someone as a neighbor just like him... In my opinion Mr. Kyle is a man's man. Certainly not perfect, but someone you could depend on ... day in.... day out. He is a brave man ...... an American Hero ... who, in part, served his country as a sniper......... Too bad he's gone.......
     
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    No, but if soldiers refuse to carry out a direct order from the higher ups, then they get written up or worse. Many I'm sure do not agree with their orders 100% of the time, but do them anyway to avoid punishment.
     
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    To be precise, the Uniform Code of Military Justice is at pains to point out that what the member of the armed forces is required to obey is a lawful order (10 US Code §892 Art. 1-3). If an order does not comply with the UCMJ or with the law, the military member has a duty not to obey, and the member can be subject to punishment for obeying an order that the member knew was illegitimate or immoral. physteach's comment above shouldn't have raised eyebrows: this was indeed the crux of the legal case against Nazi military members at Nuremberg.
     
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    So, if I'm understanding the backlash correctly...Kyle is being called a racist because of his use of words like "savages", correct? And the fact that he appeared to enjoy his particularly unpleasant duty? Is there anything I'm missing?

    I ask because I want to make sure I understand the whole situation before making my own judgment.

    Is there evidence to the contrary that he shot unauthorized targets?
     
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    This explains it better than I could.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/americ...s-death-threats-against-arabs-muslims/5426449
     
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    Hm. I am so conflicted about this. I'll be really honest, the movie was more pro-American than anti-Muslim to me. I know that that is what the crux of the issue is-the whitewashing of what Kyle did.

    But I've never been in his shoes. I've never been a soldier, never been in a situation where I had to follow orders. So I find it hard to judge.

    Sigh. I don't know. This is tough.
     
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    That is my original point. It wasn't to say that Kyle sucks, or that he's an -hole so he can't be a hero.

    I was taken aback by everyone jumping on Moore or Seth Rogen or anyone brave enough to voice their opinion against the movie. I thought that stunk (not the movie, popular opinion). This thread seems more in-line with what I would like to think America in general would think about it.
     
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    The movie was excellent. It accurately depicts what war is all about...war is never pretty.
     

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