Am I just being a baby?

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  1. sk8enscars311

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    There are several instances throughout the year where I feel like other teachers have tried to pull a fast one on me regarding scheduling and procedure.

    My latest issue is the K and 1st grade teachers who can't EVER seem to get their kids to music on time. I'm not talking 5 minutes late. More like 15-20 minutes late. Then many times they will come to pick them up later than normal, knowing full well that I have a class right after theirs. My school is a middle school and elementary school mixed so I see both ages. Specials run off the middle school bell schedule (as should the elementary to some degree). It ticks me off that these teachers constantly pay no regard to the fact that while they may not be on a strict schedule, I am.

    I usually wait for 20-25 minutes. After that I feel justified in locking my door or running out to make copies or whatever else I need to do. I've already wasted energy in planning for a full class, setting up and then biting my fingernails wondering how the kids will act (the later they are, the worse they act.) It all makes me very anxious.

    Am I being a baby by letting this bother me? Am I justified in not taking the kids if they are more than 25 minutes (half the class) late? There's also been times where they don't show up at all due to a field trip and nobody will have bothered to inform me beforehand.
     
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  3. Caesar753

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    What does administration have to say about all this?
     
  4. INteacher

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    Have you spoken with these habitaully late teachers - not while you have been waiting for them and are slightly :) angry? Why not try that first - explain exactly what you have stated here. Maybe they really don't "get" your scheduling restrictions. Do the elementary teachers understand you schedule by the middle school?? I know it is late in the year, but maybe a school wide email explaining why you need students to be on time and picked up on time for your classes, remind teachers to let you know if they are testing and won't be going to specials, ect.

    If you have already expressed this to these teachers, I would speak with P or AP. IMHO, you certainly have a reason to be angered and upset by the actions of these teachers. And I would take offense - is your time not as valuable??
     
  5. sk8enscars311

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    I haven't talked to the administration about it. It's hard to say why... They basically provide no support for anything. The P is so laid back and VP is burnt out and never has any good advice about anything. They would probably say something along the lines of "Well, just count down the days..." That's their answer to everything and I really don't feel like putting myself through that right now.

    With the teachers, I've told them at least twice that I'm on a strict schedule and why it's important they follow it. They have a copy of the school wide bell schedule (no bells actually ring... it's really dumb...) I've also explained why I cannot bring their kids back at the end seeing how it'd be impossible to escort 20 fighting first graders down four flights of stairs and a hallway in 3 minutes and be back in time for my next class. I guess it just gets to me because they KNOW! They just take their good old time and do what they want.

    What's funny is that at this point I could really care less if they're a little late coming. I'd rather not have those classes anyway (I know that's awful)... their teachers let them run wild before bringing them to me and then I spend 45 minutes being ignored by 6 year olds. I'd really rather just make the point that they can't just walk all over me. I take both classes more days than I really have to anyway.
     
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    Oh the situation you're in is stinky I'm sorry! I can't imagine them bringing the students so late, don't they get upset that they're missing their prep period? Goodness if the students come to my class a minute late the teacher picks them up a minute later.

    That sounds extremely frustrating and honestly if they haven't reacted to you before this I don't really see them doing it without some administrative intervention.

    If it were me, and I guess I'm a bit of a pushover myself, I would probably finish out the year sucking it up. Next year though I would start afresh and say something the minute it happened and would be firm about the repercussions it has on you and the students.
     
  7. sk8enscars311

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    Yeah, I don't plan on saying anything else to them. If it's more than halfway through the class and they're still not there, I'm not taking them. It's as simple as that. They'll learn pretty quick to get them up here in time.
     
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    20-25 minutes?? Hello; class started 20-25 minutes ago.
    you're not being a baby and yes, you are justified.
    I'd have locked the door after 10 minutes.
    Next year, write a letter to all teachers stating your time schedule and what will be done after the 10 minute curfew.
     
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    There ya go! Shut and lock the door with a note... Lesson in progress, please do not disturb. :)
     
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    Love it!
    Let's hope they learn their lesson, hehe;)
     
  11. Muttling

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    That takes care of late arrival, but you'll also need a management plan for late pick up.


    My suggestion would be to walk the kids back to the reg ed classroom and if the teacher isn't there have a PA announcement requesting Ms. ____ return to her classroom.
     
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    I don't think you're being a baby at all! Last week I forgot to take my kids to their second special (only one day a week we have specials at that time), and I felt horrible! I agree that you'll have to get a plan set up for next year.
     
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    For the late pick up - walk the kids to the office and leave them in there to be pickedup. Then it WILL be the principal's problem.
     
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    The Specials teachers used to do this in my last school and I felt so embarassed for those teachers, but it did work. Sometimes the principal or AP would pick up the class and give the teacher 'the look':lol:.
     
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    Thanks for the support! With the teachers picking them up late, they really only do it if I accept them late... which I'm not doing anymore. I wish I could walk them to the office as suggested but I would have NO time to do that. My school is in a jr high with the little kids on the bottom floor and I'm on the 3rd floor. It's takes them 10 minutes to get the bottom as it is. If it becomes a problem though again I'll just stop my class 10 minutes early and start walking them down so that they're waiting at the door right when the teacher is supposed to pick them up.

    There's one more detail that worries me though and I guess is the real reason I posted this to begin with. My schedule this quarter is insane! As in, practically empty! The geniuses behind scheduling gave me a mean schedule for the first three quarters and now that were down to the last one, there's only 2 classes I hadn't seen yet. So I see both of those classes everyday plus a third class (that I've already had) and a couple days with another class that I've already had. To make it worse the administration gave all regular teachers the specials schedule which they took as an open invitation to negotiate specials times. "Well, I see you have this space open, and I don't want my kids to take media, so can they come to you AGAIN?" I feel so guilty complaining about this because my schedule is so light. But on the same token, I don't want to be trampled all over. People need to respect a schedule and respect the face that I'm expecting them at a predetermined time. I'm extremely flexible if you come to me the day or even the morning before and ask if we can meet another time... Just 4 1/2 more weeks... :)
     
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    Well, I cannot imagine someone coming late often. I need my one and only 40 minute planning time. The hardest thing for me is the confinement of teaching so when I can get out of the room I usually don't forget. I have missed my time a few times this year (twice). I took them late and the music teacher did not say a word nor did he lock his door. My music time is a different time than my other activity times during the week so it is harder to remember in the beginning of school when I am learning my schedule. One thing I have always wondered is why he did not call down to the room to see where we were. I would think he would want to see the kids in order to cover his standards that he must teach and be responsible for.
     
  17. sk8enscars311

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    I can't understand why she'd want to bring them late either. They're horrible. When they leave I have a huge headache and that's only 45 minutes with them. If she was only late once or twice I'd probably do what your music teacher did... not say a word (not that I usually do) and take them without question. But I'm talking just about every other time and I see them everyday.

    I have no interest in calling down to see where they are. I do not have a working intercom, the office people are grouchy and really I don't feel like that's my responsibility. Maybe that makes me horrible. I don't really care about standards either. They are no practical in a school that hasn't had a music program in 20 years. Nobody ever comes to check up on me and my principal doesn't even know I have standards. They don't care and they don't support my program. I still teach the "standards" that I can and I still do lesson plans. I just don't have that pressure of making sure everything gets taught. Especially when I'm not given the proper materials and equipment I need. I have 4 weeks left and I'm already grasping for things to teach them. With the stuff I do have, I design it to cover a full 45 minutes. When they show up 25 minutes late with no warning, I'm not wasting my materials for a short class. But now I have to come up with something to do for 20 minutes. I have enough anxiety issues as it is. Twenty minutes is my limit. Other teachers have told me that theirs is 10.
     
  18. love2teach

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    Like others have said...I can't imagine being late for my only 40 min. of peace and quite during the day!!

    I admit that I have been late (and early) for specials before. My specials sch. is so crazy this year and it can be hard to remember what time is what special on what day! But like I said, it has been only a few times...and most of those times, I am standing at the door hours early!!! We all laugh it off and walk back to the room!

    At this point in the year, I would let it go. However, September should begin with a clear e-mail or letter to the whole staff regarding your time constraints.

    Just curious....do these teachers do this to other special teachers (art, pe etc...)?
     
  19. sk8enscars311

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    Yeah, I'm kind of over it now I guess. It's sort of whatever at this point. And yes, they do it to the other teachers. Most of the classroom teachers have the same schedule all year. The one class sees me everyday at 7th period. Shouldn't be too hard, but I guess everyone's just getting bogged down. Thanks for the responses.
     
  20. deazy86

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    yes you are. your view is slightly to objective to what the administrators truly want from you. Just relax and do the work thats in front of you.
     
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    [QUOTENext year, write a letter to all teachers stating your time schedule and what will be done after the 10 minute curfew.[/QUOTE]

    I totally agree. I would send out an email..and CC the admin and state in nice terms of course :whistle: to please be aware of the time schedule and that once it reaches a certain point the teachers have essential forfeited their class' special time and will have to wait until next week. I would cushion it with tons of flowery words, at first like "I know no one will do this, but I thought I would explain my 'rules'" or something like that so those true offenders won't well, get offended right off the bat. I'd decrease the cushion if you have to send out another 'reminder' throughout the year.

    BTW, you have every right to get ticked.
     
  22. CanukTeacher

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    I don't think a teacher at my school could refuse a class even if they were really late...
     

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