Administrative Leave

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  1. Daycare1

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    Hello! I am new here and have some questions regarding administrative leave. Monday afternoon I was put on paid administrative leave because of some "inappropriate Pinterest" posts. I have been stressed at work due to lazy coworkers and my director not doing anything about them. She is frustrated too and doesn't handle the situation with the lazy staff. I am older and have worked there for 10+ years. The other staff are under 25 years old and have worked there less than 3 years. At times, I would go home and vent or pin memes about lazy, use less coworkers. NEVER did I use my schools name or any identifying info on these pins. I am seriously worried about my job and I do not know how the administrative leave process is laid out. I have a meeting today with HR. *I am assuming these particular pins are the ones they are talking about, nobody has told me what they are...they want to "show me" at the meeting.
     
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    I guess I didn't ask any questions above...
    What should I expect when I meet with HR today? Will the principal be there or just HR and me?
    Will a decision be made today? How long will this process take? I am literally sick to my stomach and haven't eaten much or slept in 2 days.
     
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    I think the best you can hope for is a reprimand and time off. Unfortunately, employers have learned how to use social media as a weapon against employees. Employees have not learned (as Judge Milan says) "Say it, Forget it; Write it, Regret it.
     
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    My board, my union, and my professional association all have strong policies and guidelines around social media use. My policy is always that if I wouldn't say it publicly, I won't post it on social media.
     
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    It is too easy to find out who a person is and then where they work. I don't list where I am employed on Linked In or on Facebook, simply because I never want to inadvertently cast a shadow on my place of employment. I am twice as concerned because we are working with minors that need my protection, and that means making sure that anything I post doesn't reflect negatively on my school. I do think that in this day and age we should all be wise enough to realize that what we post online, no matter where it is, should not be something that would reflect negatively on our employers or on our coworkers. We're the grown ups, and we need to be responsible in our actions.
     
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    I think the biggest thing people need to realize is that on the age of the social media, privacy doesn't exist. It just doesn't. If something is said on social media, you might as well consider it public knowledge like it had been broadcast to the whole world on repeat. It's not like when some of us were kids, the internet wasn't really a big thing let alone Facebook or pinterest.

    And as Vickilyn stated, we as teachers who work with minors have an added responsibility to protect those very minors. At the end of the day, we are one of that child's line of defense. We also have a responsibility to our employers and there may even be a contractual obligation in place.

    Hopefully you get a reprimand that isn't too harsh and you learn from your mistakes. Let us know how it went.
     
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    I’m surprised that led to administrative leave, especially for something on Pinterest since that is just a collection of items, not like an original posting.

    I’ve known people who have been asked to remove posts from Facebook or Instagram, but nothing has ever resulted in administrative leave for posting.
     
  9. vickilyn

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    As Aces alluded to, it is in our contract that we will not post anything that could negatively affect the image of our employer, and this has been hammered home in staff meetings. Some of our students are also patients, and anything we say or imply must be looked at through the lens of HPPA. However, even if HPPA wasn't involved, what would it say about me if I sniped at the organization that issues my pay checks? If I have concerns about anything that goes on at work, I need to work within the system to address my concerns, and taking pot shots that are thinly veiled criticism of coworkers, and therefore administration, is uncalled for. I will never be an administrator, but I can imagine the pressure that admin must be under to make sure that injustices are not aired as dirty laundry. Maybe my age factors into my opinions on this matter, since I don't think trying to hide behind "my name wasn't on it" quite relieves of our professional obligations to be vigilant in protecting our school's reputation within our community.

    I would expect to be called on the carpet for doing what OP has admitted to doing. It only functions to make the school, coworkers, and admin to appear foolish and/or inept. If that is how I see my employer, it truly is time to find a new job where I don't feel the need to vent on an open social media platform. I would hope that this thread gives readers pause, and helps them reflect on how their actions may impact others, not only on the job, but by letting us see that no action goes without a reaction. Hoping this will be an open book lesson for anyone who fails to understand the power of social media, and how it can cause harm that may not have been intended. On the other hand, venting by posting these negative memes may have done just what the OP secretly hoped for, but bringing attention to something that OP sees as a problem. I suspect that OP is now wishing that a more constructive method of addressing the perceived problems had been the course of action.

    Hoping that there is a lesson to be learned, and that it is learned by more than just OP.
     
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    Update: the content was wrong, no argument. There is zero connection to the company. This is a witch hunt of sorts. Lesson learned-loud and clear! I apologized and deleted the entire account in the hopes of saving my job.
     
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    I mean obviously there was some connection to the company because they were able to figure it out and connect the dots enough to hold it against you. Which means it wasn't a witch hunt, either. So I hope the lesson was don't run your mouth about the people who pay your bills, not to be sneaky about it.
     
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    I certainly hope you are able to keep your job. When will you find out what happens?
     
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    Update?
     
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    How did they find you? They must have been looking for you specifically if they found an account of yours. That seems odd for them to be trolling Pinterest boards unless they have a reason.
     
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    It didn't end well. :( Regardless of what anyone says, someone absolutely was looking for something...1% out of 5000 pins? That is not a true account of my personality and character-anyone who knows me would say so. There is zero connection to the school except that it's my account...someone found what they were looking for.
    Thank you for your support and advice.
     
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    @Daycare1 I do hope you are able to find another job.
     
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    I'm so sorry that happened.

    I've seen similar things happen to good teachers because admin was looking for things to ding them on.
     
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    50 pins that slam co-workers or your boss is quite a few.
     
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    So you lost your job of 10+ years?!
     
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    Is there union support that can help you?
     
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    posting (known as 'pinning' on Pinterest) images or videos to their own or others' boards (i.e. a collection of 'pins,' usually with a common theme) and browsing what other users have pinned.

    Perhaps, the pins were posted prominently on other's boards where the "vents or pinned memes about lazy, use less coworkers" were NOT hard to find. Maybe coworkers ran across them and were less than pleased. We'll never know, so the one moral of the story remains - don't post on social media what would be viewed offensive by others. If I found a coworkers posts offensive and the vents maybe not so veiled, I might make sure that admin knew what I had found. I don't, as a matter of fact, use Pinterest - it' has no appeal to me. I also don't comment on facebook pages other than to say something positive about a cute kid or pet photo. I avoid all comments about anything that could be considered negative. I don't vent - period. I may ask a question asking for help when calm, but I am a believer in writing a "letter" where I vent, which is then sealed and locked away until I am calm enough to drop it in the trash. Learned that one a long time ago..

    We will never have the complete story, so sorry that OP is looking for a new job, but I do thank OP for sharing a thread about the dangers of social media use that can be found by our employers or coworkers, apparently without a great deal of difficulty. That is a life lesson.
     
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    I have to agree, there's definitely more to the story than what is being told, but we will probably never know the full story.
    I'm sorry you lost your job, OP, but at the same time, may this be a lesson for everyone. Social media is dangerous.
     
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    After leaving I.T. Administration to become a teacher, this is what I learned:
    No FB, no LinkdIn, no cell, no texting, no Tweeting, and even what we do here BE CAREFUL!
    NOBODY, I mean NOBODY ever has your back when HR, Internal Affairs, or an Audit Dept. has collected data on you.
    On the sarcastic bright side - when you get let go, everyone will wish you the best, maybe offer a letter of recommendation, and possibly even keep you in their prayers. Aww, isn't that special?
     
  24. Ima Teacher

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    Social media isn’t dangerous. People not taking the time to think through their actions and their possible consequences is dangerous.
     
  25. Aces

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    This is true. Social media is of course a tool.
     
  26. Teacher234

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    I think @Daycare1 mean't 0.0002% of pins.
     
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    Is this sarcasm?

    Her initial post seems to indicate that it was a pattern by saying "at times" she would go home and vent and post memes (plural). So, 10 times of 5 memes is 50. More than 10 means only a few memes each time which wouldn't be a surprising amount.

    I think there was a pattern, not just one or two mean memes.
     
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    I don't understand that math. I didn't get that out of anything that was posted, so just wondering where this info came from? Since OP mentions pinning memes about coworkers and venting, that sounds more like the 1%. Are 5000 posts, in an unknown time frame, the norm? . :confused:
     
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    1% of 5,000 posts is 50 (move the decimal to the left twice because taking 1% of a number is the same as dividing that number by 100).

    50/5000 = 1%, not 0.0002%...
     
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    Just to provide the positive side of social media, our baseball players and coaches communicate via text. To let each other know who’s gonna not be able to make practice or games.... if I’m sick, I can text the head coach to let him immediately know.... so social media isn’t the worst thing ever.... it’s just the more specific whats and hows that give it a bad name.
     
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    I didn't think texting was considering social media, but I could be wrong.
     
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    The text that says "I'm running late" is no different from a phone call. A text that spreads gossip, well, not my style no matter how it is delivered.
     
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    Oh...I misread something. I thought she posted 1 pin. This is embarrassing. I divided 1/5,000 and arrived at that answer.
    I do apologize. Yikes!
     
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    If I said it was sarcasm, that would make it less embarrassing. I actually looked over an important detail.
     
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    It could have been sarcasm that threw a random percentage out there. I was just trying to figure out what your post really meant. Thanks for clarifying.

    I've never misread anything here before! /sarcasm
     
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    I don't think the OP went for statistical accuracy. Just a random % to prove a point. I think it's hilarious that people tried to figure out the exact number LOL
     
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    Well, some of us (me) are math teachers, haha!
     
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    So her point was to prove that it was a repeated egregious behavior that produced a good number of pins rather than just one or two? Interesting take.

    I don't know. Maybe it is because I understand percentages I understand that 1% of 5000 isn't a small number of pins. In relation to the huge number of pins on other topics it might seem small, but for the number of pins slamming co-workers and/or administration, it really isn't as small as one would think. I don't tend to offer proof that people were out to get me by stating there was a lot for them to choose from.
     
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    Good grief.Let it go.
     
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    LOL I guess it's second nature to you!!
     
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    You know, TeacherNY. You are free to take your own advice.
     

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