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  1. smiles_of_three

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    Help I have a child that needs to be screened for add/ adhd and nobody will do it! She is going to be 4 in October and she is in- stoppable!
    She climbs on the counter tops, in the fridge, has gotten threw every baby lock on the market, I have called the poison control many times because of various things she has ingested, she climbs on everything did I mention that?
    If we go outside, she eats everything rocks, mud, grass, sticks, the bottom of her shoes, and she even found the neighbors dogs dropings and ingested that too.
    She can never sit still for more than 30 sec. Meals are a battle for all who is sitting at the table. She jumps off the chair, runs circles around the table, and back on the chair and starts over agin. Car rides are hectic, she starts yelling, "I wanna go home" when we havent gotten down the block yet.
    she also has this thing about her cloths being on. She has to wear only her underwear and its embarrassing when company comes over and she don't care. And did I mention that she climbs on everything possible?
    She is allergic to almost every food aviable. She cannot have Milk, wheat, soy, corn, sugar,chocolate,every cheese, seasonings, gluten, pineapple, the list goes on and on. She is now drinking GOAT milk that I have shipped to Illinois from Florida because thats all she can have. Her Meat intake consists of Lobster, (she doesn't like) shell fish (no comment) and crab (yeah Right)
    I have no Idea where she gets her energy, but she is full of it. Wakes up at 5:30 and stays awake till 8:00 at night. Did I mention she climbs on everything? What do I do I'm freaking out about school comming up. I have a set of twins that are perfect! They are 5 and are top of the class learning wise, and they are great kids, then I have this other child that I feel like thats not mine at all. Did I mention she climbs on everything possible?
    Dad has add and adhd thats why I'm thinking maby she does too, but I may be wrong, if someone has advise, pleaseeeeeeeee help!!!
     
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    smilesofthree...I have a question...does she climb on anything? Ha...Well, my REAL question is, why won't anyone test her? What is her Pediatrician saying?
     
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    To wait till she is in 1st. grade, then have her tested. By then I'm gonna have all my hair pulled out and my Twins will too! They said that all children go threw this, but I have ran a daycare for 4 years now, and have never encountered a child like this. And I feel if she continues with this, it's gonna get more scarrier! I would like to nip the problem in the butt before it gets any worse. Yep she does still climb! (laughing)
     
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    Find a new pediatrician. If you can locate a developmental pediatrician, all the better. Then find a good psychologist who can test for ADHD. I had a child like that, he's grown now, but I know exactly what you mean. Good luck.
     
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    Check with on OT therapist that specializes in sensory intergration. They can give you a lot techniques to help calm her down and give you guidence.

    A great book is the "Out of Sync Child".

    Good Luck!
     
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    great advice and I agree. Hey did you happen to notice if she climbs on ANYTHING? LOL
     
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    do you have a reward and punishment system?
     
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    Wow, I'd find a new pediatrician as well. If anything, pay for it myself to have her tested somewhere else if nobody will listen to me.
     
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    thanks to all of you's for the great Ideas!
     
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    You can get her evaluated by your school board. They will do all kinds of tests on her and should notice if she has add or adhd. She may be able to go to special needs preschool and it will prepare her for kindergarten. Call them ASAP to get her screening started tell them your concerns. I tell you to call ASAP because it usually takes months for the whole process. The sooner the better for her and you.
     
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    Thanks for all the replys! She is smart when she wants to be. She knows all her colors, ABC's and shapes, but if asked to say them, she will run around the house/ yard yelling them as loud as she can. She wont STOP running, Jumping, climbing to say them, like a "normal" child would. I have called every # in the phone book, and nobody will test her eighter because they say she is too young yet. I even had a place tell me that they don't do testing till the kids are 15 Years old!!!! I about dropped the phone on that one, how horrable for a child to be that way till 15 years old. By then they will be running the house hold and god knows what else. I have tried to call everywhere, but I'm left back at square one agian...
     
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    Call the school board, add and adhd are special needs. She needs help with social emotional and to follow directions. When she gets into kindergarten she will need to be able to follow directions and have good social skills if not she is at risk of being held back in Kindergarten. The school board will test her, I am not saying test her because she is not smart. She just needs a little help other places (behavior) and they will be able to diagnose her or give you an idea about what is going on. It never hurts to try, believe me if she is too smart they will let you know. :)
     
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    I am usually very against putting kids on any kind of drug or labeling them, but in this case from how you are explaining it, I would be calling everyone I can to get this child help. How you are explaining her, something doesn't seem right.

    When she starts running around, how do you handle it?
     
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    I know it sounds crazy, but when her 5 year old sisters look at me and ask me"Mom why can't she be good for one day" it really breaks my heart! I get down at her level all the time and I explain things clearly to her, the "do's" and "dont's" but I hate to say it but it's a waste of time it seems like. She gets her time outs in the corners and if I add up all the minutes in a day..... she is just there. I reward her with hugs, and Kisses all the time and she enjoys it, but two minutes later, she is back to trouble agian. I have tons of things for her. STOCK in playdoah, but she eats it, even if she is sitting on my lap and we play together. Markers, but once agian, all the tips get bit off. Chalk and boards, but once agian.... in the mouth. Paper, pencils, beads to string, lace cards... but everything goes in the mouth then I give her a time out, put the "game" away and attempt something else in 4 min. but nothing works. Someone mentioned to me mabe she is lacking a vitamin do you think this could be?
     
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    Are you sure it's adhd? Sounds like something different to me. I'm no expert or doctor, but a child that old usually doesn't put everything in the mouth. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks so, but it sounds like something other than adhd. I think this goes beyond needing vitamins. Get her tested, for her sake.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, she gets huggs and kisses all day long but when she is good, we are both happy!!!
     
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    I found a Doctor in Wi that will test her for $1,800 does this sound right for this? I'm happy I found someone, but the price is outrageous! It's a full test, and a written assessment, for that price and we would only be there for about an hour and a 1/2 . It sounds funny to me, anyone else? How can you evaluate and test a child in 1 1/2 hours?
     
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    I'm not sure about the process or the price. I can tell you about WI though;). Sorry, trying to be lighthearted. Maybe someone else can give you an insight on that part.
     
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    I don't know if the price or timing makes sense, but if that's the only person who's willing, it doesn't make sense. There has to be an early intervention place where you can get the testing done. In NY, you can get early intervention quite easily. Try looking into that. And change pediatricians! I know mine wouldn't have pushed my mother off with a concern like that!
     
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    I have to let you's know about this.......
    Last night at dinner my daughter, had peas with her dinner, and of all the things she does..... I gave her a bath this morning and she kept playing in her nose, and I asked her not to do that, when she said, "Theres something in here" (with her finger stuck in her nose) and I said, "It's you're finger, Don't do that, it will get stuck there". I had her blow her nose in a tissue when out came three peas from last night's dinner. How nice uh... She surprised me agian!!!!
     
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    Find out what they are testing. Are they testing academic, perceptual and mental abilities? At my school we use a rating scale called the Brown ADD scale. We score it and give the results to the parents, who then take it to developmental pediatrician or psychiatrist.

    Check with an OT therapist that specializes in sensory intergration. Puting objects in her mouth is more of a sensory issue than ADD.
     
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    Thanks Amy! I'm looking into it. Thanks everyone else for helping out too!
     
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    Let us know how things progress. Good luck!
     
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    Also check with your insurance company, perhaps they will help pay the costs of the testing. I agree, check with your local school, they may be able to test her for ADD, ADHD, etc.
     
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    Well, I checked with the school yesterday, and they wont do any testing till she is at least 6 years old. ( what a let down) I'm not giving up though. Yesterday things went good with her, we are working on a new reward system for things staying out of her mouth, and its going great!
     
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    We have pre-kindergarten programs where I live and these programs do assess students?

    Have you looked into getting a developmental pediatrician? I would recommend this.

    I would also recommend contacting a local chapter of the ADD/ADHD chapter or any other spec. needs chapters (including the autism society as they may be able to put you in contact with an OT to help with some sensory integration needs) that might be in your area, as they might be able to recommend certain doctors/specialists for you to contact. There are more than likely non-profit agencies in your area that work with special needs preschoolers that will be able to offer some advice to you.

    One thing that I learned about students with ADD/ADHD is that they never slow down (unless they are sick). Talking about children sticking things up their noses - I worked with one child who began smelling, he was taking baths and wore clean clothes. Finally, his mother took him to the doctor and the doctor pulled out a crayon from his nose.
     
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    You should at least find out why she eats non food items, there is a name for that but I can't think of it but your doctor should, and I too would suggest finding a different pedeatrition. I would recomend keeping a paperclip with you at all times.... incase something goes up the nose again, just use the bent end as kind of a shepards hook.
     
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    Dear Smiles. I think your school was wrong, I think they are required to provide an evaluation (or at least a screening) for your daughter.

    Source: Illinois Legal Aid, Disabilities Handbook (http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=227)

    "Illinois must maintain what is sometimes known as a 'child find system.' This refers to policies and procedures that make sure that all children in the state (from birth to age 21), who qualify for and need special education, are identified, located, and evaluated."

    "In Illinois Some children with AD/HD may qualify [as a child with a disability] in [the OHI, other health impaired] category.

    I don't know, maybe because you aren't seeking special education services, you don't qualify. However, if your daughter needs "related services" like OT or other interventions, I really think they have to evaluate her at their cost. Keep in mind I'm in Florida, so I don't really know how the system works in Illinois.

    An evaluation fee of $1800 sounds about right for private testing and a written evaluation, at least here in Florida.

    BTW, I think it's called "Pica" when people eat stuff that isn't food.
     
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    This would be true if her child was a registered student. It is my understanding that her child is not yet in kindergarten. Do you find any information that will tell her where to go if her child is not yet a student and undiagnosed?
     
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    I'm in Florida, so I don't know the ins and outs of the Illinois system, but it does say that the child find system is for kids from birth to 21. It may be that she has to be seeking an educational placement for her child in order to qualify for services. In Florida, we have a district coordinator for ESE services, perhaps Smiles has a similar person to whom she can take her concerns?
     
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    we have this also in our area. They test here at age 3, Did you ask the school about this? Or did they offer any info on what you could do?

    Gosh, I hope you find some answers soon, and please do let us know if you do find anyone willing to help!
    Take Care
     
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    We have those as well. We have the birth to three program, then after the child's 3rd birthday the local district does testing, and it's free.
     
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    I have a niece that sounds a bit like your child - but without the benefit of a dedicated parent. My sister-in-law tried Fish oil supplements with her and it did seem to help for a while. Unfortunately, somebody told her that Fish oil stimulates the brain and my sister-in-law decided that she didn't need anymore stimulation and took her off it. She's now back to normal - the climbing, the screaming, cursing and fighting. She doesn't mouth objects though. Might be worth a shot giving her the fish oil suplements while you are waiting to get her tested.
     
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    Fish oil is good for a lot of things connected to the brain, so it makes sense that it may help. Most Americans are lacking in Omega 3, which is what fish oil is!
     
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    Simles of THree:
    There is definitely something that needs to be done for you and your family. Check into the system called CHADD (children with hyperactivity and attention deficit disorder) Usually they are connected with a children's hospital/ developmental pediatrician and child psychiatrists. Yes, I said psychiatrist, because they are the ones who have a medical degree and can presvribe medicines in addition to counseling.
    There's a book called "What's wrong with my child " that was a tremendous help for me when my boys were younger and I was going through a similaiar rough patch.
    Check out the sites on ADD, ADhD and autism.... Yeah, I know autism sound off the wall, but there are some very helpful sites that cover symptoms that you have discribed.
    I hope this helps. I will contact my friend from Florida- He's a developmental pedicatrician that specializes in ADD and ADhD. Helped my son tremendously.
    Keep your chin up and spirits up. Will be praying for you and your family.

    Munchkin
     
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    Thankyou munchkin, and thanks for asking around!!! I go by a day to day basis here at home with her. I'm looking into the book as well, and will order it if it's not in the book store! Thanks for you're help, and I will keep you's posted!
     
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    It sounds like the key is looking for placement not testing. Perhaps if you requested your daughter be put in a special ed. preschool they would test her. It just doesn't sound right that they won't look at her. I think that there are federal programs for this and your state would be required to have a program. Special ed is not just for students who are below average education. It is for students with other special needs also, including behavior as you've described.
     
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    I am so glad you posted this! I was going to say the same exact thing! I had two of these children in my kindergarten class this year. One of the Mom's was very supportive and did everything possible to help me understand her son's issues and she gave me the series of books about the "Out of Sync Child" and my life did a 180 in regards to this child. I no longer looked at him as a 'problem' that was disrupting my class every three seconds, I began to look at him and try to figure out what had just set him off. He, too, is allergic to literally EVERYTHING on the planet food-wise. He is also incredibly sensitive to smells, like perfume, cleaning products, candles, so that made things doubly challenging.

    The Out of Sync child has Fun book is incredible too, it has activities that these easily stimulated children respond to and helps them "work out" those parts of their brain that are itching for attention.

    Smiles of three - hang in there honey, you'll make it through this and you and your child will be stronger for it!!

    Now get that kid off the ceiling fan! :eek:
     
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    smiles of three,
    I worked in a PCD class that had one little 4 yr old that sounds very much like your little one. Boy could that kid climb! The scary thing was she was like spider man, she'd get up on the oddest places that had no logical foot holds and climb faster than you could yelp, "xxxxxxx , get down from the TV stand honey, you're gonna fall." :eek Once you peeled her off one danger, she'd be off to anew "adventure" unless you pulled out the wooden puzzle with the numbered crayons. And she'd work on that puzzle repeatedly until you took it away from her to try something else, like sitting down to eat. ;) I was always amazed that that child didn't have more food on the ceiling or in someone's ears than she did. :D
    sorry I got carried away with my story. I don't mean to scare you, this is what I wanted to mention:
    I found an article that scted that classical music was noted to calm and relax children with hyper tendencies. It relaxed them to the point where they were able to concentrate on academic areas and language areas. I tried it in this particular PCD class and was amazed at the results with even the biters in the class! It was great. The firsst day, We got to actually sit down as a group and do some language activities for 15 whole uniterrupted minutes with no one running off, and everyone sharing and participating! It was a miracle for us. The second day we used it at a different time area in our day, and it made the day easier too.
    YOu may want to try it. It helped us.
     
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    Thanks Kimberly best, I'm waiting for the book to come in and I read it as soon as I can. (cant wait)!!! Thanks for the ceiling fan joke, it made my day by laughing first thing this morning. Thanks also to munchkin for the advice on the music, I will try it and let everyone know. You's are so supportive!
     

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