504s

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  1. NewTeacher12345

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    Question: For IEPs, we have a database known as ESPED where we see which students have IEPs. Is there a platform like this to find out 504 plans? I know where to access my IEPs but haven’t heard anything about any of my kids having 504 plans. Thanks!
     
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    Ours are all in the same place. We use Infinite Campus.
     
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    I hate the fact that our 504s are not in the same location as our IEPs. Personally, it makes me feel as though 504s are not as important.
     
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    Could you explain by what you mean as same location? Do you mean the same school site? Same building? I help administer IEP meetings and I feel that I should know this...
     
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    Most public schools here in CA house all IEPs in a system called SEIS. However, 504s are not located there. They are usually in the cumulative folder. I like when things can be accessed electronically by anyone in the public school system with the proper credentials.
     
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    Thank you so much! This is really helpful to me. :)
     
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    I, too, like when things can be accessed electronically. Why do you think they are kept separate?
     
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    504s and IEPs stem from two separate laws. Most districts that I know of keep them separate. IEPs mean the student receives special education services, so there is an entire department dedicated to serving them, and a budget, which is more than likely why there is software to store them. No money is allocated to 504s, so every district I know of does them on paper. Teachers should still be given copies prior to the first day of school though as both are legally binding.
     
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    It's the same where I teach and it drives me bonkers!
     
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    What are the possible consequences if this doesn't happen? Often it's not until two months in that we as teachers get a copy of 504s.
     
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    We can access both electronically in our SIS with an equal amount of key strokes in addition to paper files. Their inherent differences shouldn't limit access. That would be annoying. Try to view those 504s ASAP somehow. You not only have a right to that info, but a duty. Hope this helps!
     
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    It’s the counseling departments ( not special education department ) responsibility to give them to staff members prior to the school year to sign off on - its a legally binding document that needs to be followed - parents can sue the school and or district if not followed ( happened twice in my county last year )
     
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    If a 504 isn’t followed, parents can file for due process under the civil rights office. It can get schools in a lot of trouble. My personal child has a lengthy 504 plan for medical issues, and you can rest assured it must be followed from the moment she arrives on campus the very first day of school. Schools who don’t communicate this important information to teachers are setting themselves up for lawsuits/ civil rights complaints.
     
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    The school I just left (due to medical reasons) - at week 5, I still was not able to see the 504s or the IEPs for any of my students. No list of who had 504s was available at all! I could see who had IEPs on the computer, but not the actual IEP or any information about it. It was ridiculous. I reminded admin several times that I had legal responsibilities to follow these plans, but they continued to brush me off, and say "we'll have the lists to you "soon. Don't worry about it." It was ridiculous! (and illegal.)
     
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    Contact your super.
     
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    My school is very similar. We do get IEPs right away though, but no one seems to have any sense of urgency regarding the 504s, despite teachers asking. As a teacher, I realize they're something I'm legally supposed to be following, so it's frustrating not to have access to them.
     

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