3 year old not potty trained

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  1. Ms.Brandi

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    Hi, this is my first time posting, but I have been reading threads here for a while.
    This will be my 7th year teaching at a wonderful school, my third year with the 3 year olds. The school year starts monday, and we have a small issue. One of the little boys who is due to move to my class will not poop in the potty. Never. Now my school has a policy that states that children must be potty trained to enter the 3 year old class. The catch? My class is starting out small and the 2 year old class is not. Now my director still said we can leave him back but I feel like maybe I could take this opportunity to work with him. He is an interesing kid. Smart in some ways (knows his letters/numbers etc) but lives in lala land. He generally doesnt have a clue what is going on around him. So when you tell him, you need to poop in the potty he will look at you with his million dollar smile and say "yes poop potty" but meanwhile I don't think he has a clue what he needs to do. Has anyone ever had a child like this? Its not that he refuses, just isnt getting it. Any advice on how to help him come around? I really feel like in that large class and a new teacher they will not put much effort into working with him. His mom is at a loss. And truthfully, his immature so I think leaving him in a room of young 2s will be the worst thing for him all around. Thanks for any input.
     
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    Oh my. Poop. Interesting first post.:wow:

    I wouldn't be taking this on if the rule for your room is potty trained. I taught preK. And had a kd with 'aiming issues' who told me I needed to 'push it down for him'.:wow: I called his mom, told her this was NOT POTTY TRAINED and that I wouldn't be putting my license on the line by getting that intimately involved with her child's toileting issues. That was a Friday. He came in Monday 'on target'.
     
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    Is he pee trained? My son was potty trained at 2, but took another 6 months to fully grasp pooping on the potty, without any accidents at all. It can take boys longer to be fully potty trained. If the rule is he must be potty trained, then I don't think he can come to your room until he is fully 100% potty trained.
     
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    If the policy is that they must be potty trained, then I would probably not risk bringing him into the class. What does the administration think about this issue? Has this kiddo been checked out for possible special needs? It sounds like there may be more going on there than just lack of potty training.

    (On a side note, you might consider not using the kiddo's real name on a public forum, just as a precaution since you are sharing personal information about him.)
     
  6. Ms.Brandi

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    My director is ok with him moving up if I'm willing to work with him. We are a small school, less than 50 kids. I worked in the 2 year old class for a few years before the 3s and I was considered the potty training expert. My kids were always potty trained within the first few weeks of school. But like I said with him is he is kind of not aware of things around him, which I never had an issue with. Stubborn I could fix. This im not so sure. The big issue here is we really don't have a spot for him in the 2 year old room because it is filling so quickly where my room only has a few kids to start.
     
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    Are there other teachers in the room? What happens when you are handling bathroom issues with him and away from other students?

    I also think that if the rule is that students need to be potty trained, then he should be potty trained before coming into your class.

    I agree with whoever said that there might be other issues going on here than just the potty training thing. Can you refer him for an evaluation?
     
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    I agree that there may be some special needs issue. Do you have a FDLRS near you? They will evaluate young children.
     
  9. Ms.Brandi

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    Oh, as far as special needs he hasn't been tested as of yet. They did a conference a few months ago to tell the parents they were a little concerned. But he has also improved since starting school. The free screening process in the area is extremely over crowded and under funded. So even though they gave them a referral, it will b 6 months before his initial appt, and even then most families get turned away. We are currently searching for a Better free program in the area.
     
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    I'm on my own, he is pee trained. The thought was if he needs changed we will have the floating helper help out. We could keep him in pull ups which I don't really believe in for potty training. Truthfully it seems like if we could just get him to do it once it would click. But we can't get him to do it the once.
     
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    I just left a position as an assistant teacher in a older 2's-young 3's transition room. Most of them were potty trained, but we had a few who were in the process of being potty trained and others who are almost completely done.

    So here are a few questions for you:

    What is your scheduling for bathroom time?
    Does he have bowel movements often?

    As some have already mentioned, sometimes it takes longer for a child to grasp the skill of pooping. In the meanwhile, have him go to the bathroom even if he doesn't have to go to the bathroom and do it often. Praise him when he sits on the potty. If he does have a bowel movement in his underwear or pull-up, don't just put it in a bag to go home or toss it in the trash.

    Put the poop in the toilet to show him that is where his poop goes. Do that often. Tell him that is where it needs to go and have him flush the toilet. If he does do a bowel movement, have him sit on the potty immediately after too. You say that you don't think he understands what to do, make going on the potty interesting for him so that he can be encouraged to go on it. Talk to him and be interactive with him, say encouraging words.

    Have him sit on the potty for at least a minute and if he doesn't show any signs of pooping then take him off. Also learn to identify when he is pooping (if you can). Does he get really quiet? Does he make a face? Does he fidget around and can't sit still? Knowing this can help you rush him to the potty so he can finish his business.

    It's a process. He could catch on in a few weeks or a few months. It all depends, but repetition is key. Also try not to scorn him for accidents, but do have him help you clean it up! Have him wipe himself and wash his hands like everyone else as if he went on the potty. He needs to learn these things anyway.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    Thanks missus James. Some good suggestions. In my classroom (starting at 9, idk what the schedule is w the morning teachers before that) we go at 9:50 right before we go outside, then usually not again until 12:45 before bedtime. So I guess I'll have to throw some extra trips in there for him. Of course if kids ask in between we go. Then we go at 3 and 430 before,going out. I don't kniw his schedule very well since he hasn't been in my class but he has come to play in the afternoons over the summer and pooped (right after being in the bathroom). Maybe if I make him sit there 5 minutes or so around that time it will work. Last year I had no issues leaving back the 2 stubborn ones who flat out refuses to do it. But he doesn't seem stubborn, just doesn't seem to understand.
     
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    If you let one kid do it, all of the other parents are going to want move their child up if even if they are not potty trained. I would keep him back in the two year old room. If you do for one, you have to be prepared to do for all.
     
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    I totally agree with eyeteach. You could run into problems later on. I will leave him in the 2 year old program and maybe have him "visit" the 3 year old program.
     
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    If he's not potty trained he needs to stay in the 2 yr. old room until he is. IMHO, you won't have time to give him the attention he needs to learn how to do this.

    I also agree with eyeteach, you'll be setting a precedent. What do you do when the next 3 yr. old isn't potty trained & wants into the potty trained room?
     
  16. Ms.Brandi

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    No, we moved him up. It was a decision made by me, the director, and his family. I will be working with him alongside his parents.
     

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