2020 RIFs / layoffs

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  1. Pi-R-Squared

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    Who on here survived the RIFs / layoffs during the 2008-2010 recession and can describe what most likely happen nowadays since tax revenues will be drastically down and budgets end up being slashed?
     
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    Eeesh... I hope we don’t see that. We don’t have enough teachers here anyway, I can’t imagine them making cuts, unless it was perhaps to cut specials time. There’s no way they could make classes larger here, several schools are over 40 per class already.
     
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    I’m curious about this one myself.
     
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    I wanted to give this thread a bump. I don’t know about anyone else, but my state governor has already ordered 1% holdback on the budget, which I understand.

    But a memo was circulated to superintendents to plan for a worst case scenario of 5% in the upcoming year. That doesn’t sound super awful to me. But apparently that’s layoffs/RIF territory.

    How do they decide what/who goes? I’m an ELA teacher; would that be a safe-ish type position? Personally, I’d be perfectly okay taking a pay-freeze if that’s what it came to.
     
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    They don't generally go around asking who would be willing to work for less, which is really what a pay-freeze comes down to. If you have a union, there could be a vote, since the contract would amount to being changed. Generally speaking, last hired, first let go.
     
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    That’s what I was afraid you were going to say
     
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    It's a number of things, some depending on the needs of your district. People occupying new positions go first, like if they added a science teacher they've done without before, then fine arts is next, unless your state mandated fine arts ed. Visual art goes first because the program costs more in consumable materials, plus the community would notice when there's no band at football games. From there, it's the other electives if they can't also teach core. Woodshop, agriculture, home ec., that type of position. Stipend positions will also disappear, then eventually the sports that don't bring in ticket sale money, like tennis. If multiple foreign languages are offered, one may get cut.

    The safest people are higher level math/science teachers since there's a shortage and with the emphasis on STEM, no one is going to support cuts. Parents would riot. It's easier to cut one ELA or SS person by cutting optional offerings like creative writing or European history and redistributing the rest of that person's course load to the other teachers. Title and intervention specialists are also relatively safe.
     
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    During those yrs we lost PE, Music, Art, and various elective teachers. If you held a license in more than 1 subject area ( like math/science), coached, or were liked a lot, you had an advantage. Regular ed and SPed teachers kept their jobs w/ a couple of exceptions. 2 we had to cut were allowed to transfer to another school though. There was 1 more cut and it came down to which 1 was most useful because they both came at the same time. We never got our electives teachers back.
     
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    It’s nice to know my STEM-teaching friends are safe because they keep calling me and asking advice and I don’t really know what to tell them. They are all very worried...
     
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    We had already passed the budget for next year, and pink slips had been decided, although not handed out when we left. We are hoping that further reductions won't have to be done. I don't worry for myself since I'm the senior teacher in my department, and almost in the entire building. I'm also English, which is a safe area. DH is in a specials class, so his position would be one that would be cut. However, he is also a senior teacher in his building and has 20+ years of math teaching experience. He could go back in a math class.

    I know that we are hiring three special education teachers and at least one language arts teacher for next year.
     
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    RIF’s should be outlined in your collective bargaining agreement, so don’t assume fine arts goes first. I expect larger class sizes next year as the district may not replace all the teachers who retire or resign.
     
  13. Ima Teacher

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    Not everyone works in a state with a union. We do not have one.
     
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    I work for an independent charter school. We are our own district. Our charter was just renewed for 5 years. Unless we have a drop in enrollment due to current students choosing return to their neighborhood schools (mostly in Oakland Unified) then I can't really see too many rifs. Even then, we can fill from a long waiting list.

    Currently, we have no union and are entirely at will employees, so they could pick and choose who they let go. Of course, we can leave any time we want too. I honestly think my school is still worried more about losing teachers than having to lay teachers off. Considering that I could make about 20k more a year in most nearby districts and also have a shorter commute, that's understandable.

    And for me, the worst case scenario is that I just retire a year or two sooner than planned.

    The one thing that does keep me up at night is that our school ends up closing as a result because I really do not want to teach anywhere else - even as a sub after I retire.
     
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    We only see that in the P.E. class here. Any more than 30 in a regular class and many of these teachers would quit!
     
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    I just don’t know how to feel for myself. Like I said, I’m in Idaho where they’ve already decided on a 5% worst case scenario cut.

    I teach ELA (English and Language Arts) but am also certified in History. I’m newish (started last year) but not the newest either. ELA is considered a core class.

    I haven’t been told I would be non-renewed, plus we just had an ELA and History teacher resign.

    Wish I could stop being afraid.
     
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    It’s too late for layoffs to happen in many states for 2020-2021. I do know our budgets will be leaner this next school year, though, and I do foresee job losses in education during 2021-2022.

    We have a new superintendent who is cleaning house! Not one, not two, but four of my colleagues are being let go! They were offered classroom teaching positions, though.
     
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    I’m not worried about being laid off this school year. I’m worried about August.

    That last part confuses me: were they let go or offered classroom positions? Were they not classroom teachers before? If I may ask, what state are you in?
     
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    Do you work in an at-will state?
    I’m in CA.
    They were all former teachers in our district who were promoted to administrators. They were asked to resign from their admin positions (instead of being fired) and then given a classroom teaching position for 20-21.
     
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    I’m in Idaho which is an at-will state, but I’m also union.

    Strange to me that during this anticipated 5% slash, when I was in the building on Friday, they were conducting an interview and still have a job posting for Social Studies.
     
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    Four of your colleagues are being demoted to teaching positions from administrative positions?! Do they not have protections? They can just be demoted without just cause?
     
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    In my state, and I assume the same is true for California, administrators serve at the whim of the superintendent. They don't have union protections.
     
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    Was it due to school performance or what?
     
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    No union for admin.
     
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    Yes, but also some personality conflicts with upper management.
     
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    The fairly large California district I teach in seems to have trouble finding admin, so I am a little surprised, YTG, that your district has decided to create four additional admin openings. Our admin do have a union and a contract. I have not read it, but I do know of administrators that have been bumped back to teaching positions, so being unionized is not sufficient to protect from this process happening.
     
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    We have a new superintendent, so he’s cleaning house. I have a feeling he might be bringing in his own people. Who knows, though. I’m just doing my job and not making waves.
     
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    does anyone work as a teacher in colorado and have you been non renewed,they say not because of performance just due to them wanting to hire their own people? This would have been my third year?
     
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    I asked my union rep about my original post and she said the state super mentioned no layoffs... with state and local revenues being down, I don’t understand how that’s possible! Unless, of course, that I don’t completely understand how schools and finances work! I’m just thankful that all our employees paid through our system continue getting paid. I feel bad for our subs because they’ve basically lost their income.
     
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    I’m not in CO but was let go after my 3rd year. I think it all depends on your admin. If they want to replace you, they will. Nothing you can do about it. If you’re concerned, be proactive by updating your resume and looking for job openings.
     
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    Also how do I get my name off this? Want to change it?
     
  32. Pi-R-Squared

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    Contact a moderator. Might be able to change your name.
     
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    Wow, well good luck to you then.
     
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    It’s unfortunate you have to deal with so many politics in the workplace. It should not be like that and a superintendent shouldn’t be cleaning house to bring in “his own people.” That sounds a lot like crony capitalism and nepotism to me.
     
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    And personal vendettas, which is odd because you probably don't even know these people.
     
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    Precisely.
     
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    In my district, the way layoffs go is that they don't eliminate a person's job, they eliminate a position. There is a seniority list they go by. Occasionally a certain credential or multiple credentials / subject areas can save you, but 99% of the time last hired goes first, then second last, and so on.
    For example they eliminate an English position in school A. The teacher working there has been there for 10 years. Another teacher who has been teaching for 5 years only (at the district) is at school B. She will be let go and teacher from school A will be moved.
    Often there are several move arounds, based on how many positions are let go and how many people are involved.
     
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    Interesting... Do they eliminate a position to eliminate a particular person, and then open the position soon after? Is this being done to get rid of someone without a good reason?
     
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    And I would assume the order in which layoffs would occur would be this....

    1. All non-tenured positions in non-core areas (music, arts, electives)
    2. All non-tenured positions in core subjects
    3. Tenured staff based on reverse seniority

    For me, I’m in group 2 math but there are other newer-in-the-district math teachers.
     
  41. YoungTeacherGuy

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    @Pi-R-Squared, I feel like you’ve been worried every year for years. Aren’t you tenured by now?
     

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