06-12-2007, 04:16 PM
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You know how chickens run around even after their heads have been cut off? Well, it's been speculated that, after I'm declared dead, I will still manage a pun or two. Sad, isn't it?
I am indeed a geek - I mean, let's call an entrenching tool an entrenching tool, shall we? Though I refuse to admit to dweebhood. (Golly, I hope I got those terms right.)
If we called me la migra gramática, would that be borderline offensive?
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06-12-2007, 04:28 PM
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Ewwww! Yes I have seen that once before and believe me that was once too many times. Don't give me pictures, TG. 
No, I don't think it's PC if you call yourself a grammar border patrol. How about la maestra de gramatica?
I like that. But I like 5 oh too. It still makes me laugh.
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06-12-2007, 04:54 PM
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Five Oh is cute, yes.
The point, though, is that I don't want the non-teacherly world having ANY excuses to disregard or disparage teachers' points of view.
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06-12-2007, 05:22 PM
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TG, and anyone else who is reading this: My neighbor has just told me that migra is a "very offensive racial comment to say to a hispanic." Very, very offensive. So let's don't ever bring that up again, okay. Ouch.
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06-12-2007, 06:12 PM
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(Insert here hands clamped over miscreant mouth.)
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06-12-2007, 07:44 PM
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Me, too. I don't know racial slang comments because I don't hang around with that kind of person. I had no idea it had that kind of connotation. I did have an idea that it probably wouldn't sound like a thing to bring up but I did not know it was actually an offensive term.
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08-14-2007, 11:32 PM
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Dear eduk8r,
You seem to have a really good grasp of this digraph/diphthongs stuff...do you know where online I could find a comprehensive list of each letter combination that would fall under each?
Cheers Madeline
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08-14-2007, 11:57 PM
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I'm not eduk8r, but will I do?
Diphthongs aren't about spelling, they're about sound. The difference between a pure vowel and a diphthong is that, in the course of saying a diphthong, your articulators (tongue and lips, primarily, though certainly the jaw gets in the act) change position.
Linguistically, diphthongs are a bit of a vexed issue: for one thing, you Aussies have several diphthongs where we in the States have r-colored vowels (think about Aussie vs. American pronunciations of poor, for example). There's a list of what linguists recognize as diphthongs in several varieties of English at http://www.answers.com/topic/diphthong.
For teaching purposes, I think it suffices to deal with /ai/ as in kite or by, /oi/ as in boy or noise, and /au/ as in house or down.
Digraphs ( di 'two', graph 'write') are a good deal more straightforward. There is an extremely thorough list at http://www.answers.com/topic/digraph-orthography - though I'm not sure I'd classify letter sequences like <ow> that spell diphthongs as digraphs, exactly. And no one I know seriously uses the categories trigraph or tetragraph.
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08-15-2007, 05:35 AM
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Hi....again...eduk8r
Thanks for your help...can you confirm if my understanding is getting close to correct..
A combination of letters that represents a single sound is firstly a digraph)the combination could include...vowel/vowel or vowel/consonant...eg...'ea' is a vowel digraph....and the diphthong is the sounds it makes..eg...'ea' as in 'meat' or 'bread'. ...
NO I don't think I have it yet...I am confusing myself...A diphthong is the sound formed by two merging vowels.
So....how do you describe the sounds of the letter combination 'or' as in 'cord'. The combination of letters is the 'or' digraph...how are the sounds described as it can't be a diphthong as it is not two vowels...? It is a vowel consonant....my understanding of dipthong is that it is the sound made by two vowels...
If I am creating a game that includes these letter combinations missing from each of the listed words: ai/train, ar/star, ea/bean, ee/tree,ey/key, er/fern, ir/skirt, ur/curl,ow/crow, oa/goat, oi/toilet, oy/boy, oo/book, ew/screw,ue/glue,or/torch, ow/owl, oo/spoon, ou/mouse. Would it be correct to give the instruction - Match the missing digraph to complete the word?
Also, can you explain the difference between these two...digraph and monophthong?
Thanks again...and sorry for being so painful...
Madeline
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08-15-2007, 06:00 AM
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Hi eduk8r,
I looked further into the link you sent me...and discovered -
ai/train, ea/bean, ow/owl, ow/crow, ew/screw, ou/mouse - are classified as digraphs.
The reference you game me did not include these as digraphs...
ir/skirt, ur/curl,er/fern - I think that these are classified as 'r' controlled in the US...I think this is different here as we prounce these very differently...
And what about these....
ar/star, ee/tree,ey/key, oa/goat, oi/toilet, oy/boy, oo/book, ,ue/glue,or/torch, oo/spoon.
I need help...I can't stand this...I keep reading more and more...but it doesn't seem to get any clearer..
Cheers Madeline
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