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Old 12-17-2012, 09:37 AM
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[QUOTE=3Sons;1715993]I would also point out that the government regulates cars rather extensively, and can remove your license to drive. The government could declare a particular car illegal, and very few would suddenly start arguing "slippery slope." Except for car manufacturers.

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Except with like anything people still use cars when the gov't has stepped in and took their license. Up here there was an TERRIBLE accident a man who had lost his license was driving drunk (I think he had prior convictions and lost his license a couple times as well) hit another car head on killing 3 people. The driver of the other car, who also had also lost her license and 2 very young children... who weren't in car seats. I mean the whole thing was AWFUL the sole survivor the children's dad... I just don't even know where you would look to have not caused this accident. There were so many things that were done WRONG that could've prevented this stuff, but sadly the whole system didn't protect those innocent children.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:05 AM
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So, what you're saying is that you'll be for a ban on assault weapons designed specifically to kill large numbers of people quickly and that have limited other application, once we have a system that can successfully stop violent deaths from any manmade source?

Cerek, are you actually arguing that something be done with respect to car safety? If we agreed with you that cars are the source of a lot of deaths, are you saying that mandatory safety measures on cars should be increased?
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:46 AM
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I don't want to sound cold but here are some "facts":
The latest mass gun murders (except Tucson) were at soft targets "gun free" zones and the gunman surrendered or committed suicide when police (armed persons) arrived.
There are about 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States and "299,999,997" where not used to shoot anyone.
There are 132,071 schools that did not have a shooting.
Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms.
*A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found the
following levels of firearm ownership:

Category
Percentage Owning
a Firearm
Households 42%
Individuals 30%
Male 47%
Female 13%
White 33%
Nonwhite 18%
Republican 41%
Independent 27%
Democrat 23%

* In the same poll, gun owners stated they own firearms
for the following reasons:
Protection Against Crime 67%
Target Shooting 66%
Hunting 41%

* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons
dispersed across the U.S. found:

34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or
captured by an armed victim"
40% had decided not to commit a crime because
they "knew or believed that the victim was
carrying a gun"
69% personally knew other criminals who had
been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or
captured by an armed victim"

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
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Interesting article
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:18 PM
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[COLOR="DarkRed"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]I don't want to sound cold but here are some "facts":
The latest mass gun murders (except Tucson) were at soft targets "gun free" zones and the gunman surrendered or committed suicide when police (armed persons) arrived.


More laws controlling guns correlates with less deaths due to guns. Is that really a surprise?

Of course felons are going to want to give answers that would tend to keep guns legal.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:23 PM
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If you don't want to give up a hobby in the chance that it'll save lives (young ones, at that), then you're pretty **** selfish.
Wow. I simply have no words.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:52 PM
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Wow. I simply have no words.
Well that makes two of us.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:35 PM
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If you don't want to give up a hobby in the chance that it'll save lives (young ones, at that), then you're pretty **** selfish.
I can knit sweaters or stab people with my knitting needles. Should I give up knit one, purl two?
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:39 PM
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And here we go with the pointless, fruitless comparisons. I can see this is going nowhere.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:43 PM
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Sorry, I broke my resolution to not respond to straw man arguments.
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