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Old 09-28-2010, 07:24 PM
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ESL vs ELL

Is there a difference? I have the ELL/ESL cluster this year and I'm too embarrassed to ask anyone in my school. Is one more advanced than the other? Is one more politically correct? Do you start out ESL and then get labeled ELL or visa-versa? I already know what the acronyms stand for, I'm just looking for a more solid definition.
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:37 PM
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English as a Second Language are taught by a teacher that specializes in teaching english as a second lang. The other is English Language Learner are in a reg. ed classroom and not pulled.

http://www.teachersnetwork.org/ntol/...ass/eslell.htm
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:41 PM
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It depends on where you live. The label in AZ used to be ESL when I was in High School. Now the more proper term is ELL. Our ELL students are pulled out. So where I live it's essentially the same thing, just ESL is an old term.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:25 PM
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It depends on where you live. The label in AZ used to be ESL when I was in High School. Now the more proper term is ELL. Our ELL students are pulled out. So where I live it's essentially the same thing, just ESL is an old term.
In my state and district, this is true.
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:26 PM
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I always thought ELL is the student, and ESL is the subject.
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:28 PM
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NBT, I like your answer the best!
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:48 PM
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It depends on where you live. The label in AZ used to be ESL when I was in High School. Now the more proper term is ELL. Our ELL students are pulled out. So where I live it's essentially the same thing, just ESL is an old term.
yep.
ELL= English Language Leaner
ESL= English as a 2nd Language

therefore, an ELL student has ESL = )
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:21 PM
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Hmm, in our district it has been explained that for many of our non-English speaking students, English may actually be their third or fourth language. Hence the move from ESL to ELL. We call the students ELL, the teacher ELL, and the subject ELL.
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Old 09-29-2010, 09:21 PM
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In Texas, we're moving from the old language of Limited English Proficient (LEP) to ELL. But I've always understood ELL to be a person, ESL is a subject.
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Old 09-29-2010, 09:43 PM
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In Texas, we're moving from the old language of Limited English Proficient (LEP) to ELL.
In our district we still use the terms LEP, NEP (Non-English Proficient), and FEP (Fully English Proficient) to sub-classify our ELLs and former ELLs.
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