When is it ok to say no?

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  1. JJC3049

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    I am the only PE teacher in my building, anytime there is a special event and a teacher misses a planning period they ask me to take their class during one of mine. I am tired of doing this is it ok for me to say no and have my planning time?
     
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    We would never dream of asking...sometimes our music and pe teacher will double up and take them if it isn't something we schedule. But if we schedule it, we are out of luck.
     
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    What does your contract say?
     
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    I would say that they are taking advantage of you. I don't ever remember teacher's doing that. I remember a PE teacher offering if there were a lot of specials (like holiday things) to give up their planning, but not to give up their planning so someone else could have it.

    I remember a PE teacher taking my class out at the end of the day because I had an appointment and had to leave, but first I had to clear it with the P and then ask the PE teacher. Also my PE teacher had my class until the end of the day & asked me if it was ok if he walked them to the bus. I didn't ask and he offered.
     
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    I can't believe that, to be honest...I'd be highly offended if someone thought their planning time was so much more important than my planning time that I needed to take their class during it. I can see a "please help me out in this emergency" type situation, but not a "I missed my planning, can you skip yours so I can make mine up?" I would definitely say no and talk to your P. People may just not be realizing what it is they're really doing...I find that as someone that doesn't have the typical job in a school (classroom teacher being the "typical job), people automatically I assume I have gads of extra time, even though specialists get a lot less planning time than classroom teachers in my building- they just don't even realize that! I have 3 planning periods a week and they have 7, yet I get people asking me to do things for them "since they know I have extra time." They really just don't realize it. My P has had to talk to our staff as a whole about this before-not mentioning names or specific situations, of course.
     
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    I always tell teachers they can come to PE with another group
    if they are losing their PE time for some reason. Kids need
    to see me when I am here. Sometimes I ask for a group to come with another (like 1st or 2nd) to learn from older groups games like
    soccer or steal the flag.
     
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    What!? I've never heard of such a thing. To me, that sounds very unusual.
     
  9. JJC3049

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    I talked to my P

    I talked to my P about the teacher wanting to take her planning time during mine because of her losing it because of christmas program practice and the P took the classroom teachers side, saying "your really going to do anything during practice so just go ahead and flip the times." :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
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    I think you may have left out a word or two in the last statement. Are you saying your P told the classroom teachers that it was OK to trade the planning periods?

    I've heard of P's asking teachers to cover another class during their planning time to avoid hiring a sub for the day. In fact, I've done that several times myself, both as a regular teacher and as a sub. But I've NEVER had a P ask me to give up MY planning time so another teacher could have theirs. That's just not right.

    You may need to remind the P that you ALSO have state standards that have to be met through your curriculum and you have to document how the kids are meeting those standards. So you have to plan activities and document the results, just like the rest of the teachers.
     
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    I am sure that i left out a few words, i was just really ticked off when i wrote that...
     
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    Completely understandable. Just trying to make sure I understand the scenario correctly. ;)
     
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    Wow. I hope a colleague would hit me upside the head should I ever be so horribly inconsiderate and self-centered.
     
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    I know I get upset when I lose a prep. I wouldn't dream of asking a specials teacher to give up their prep so I would get mine. Now, if they offer. . .that's a different story.

    At one school I was at we had a science special. Well due to scheduling my class didn't get science, but they had had it a year before. My kids so missed it. Sometimes, when the science teacher did a really cool experiment, she would give up her prep so my kids could do the experiment. So awesome of her!
     
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    They are really taking advantage of you. This is ridiculous. I would never think to ask another teacher to give up their planning so I could have mine. I have (rarely) asked a teacher to cover part of my class during their planning so I could run a kid to the doctor or leave on a school related trip.
    I think you should send a mass email out to everyone in the building and remind them that you have standards that you have to meet and you don't think anyone else's planning time is more important than yours.
     
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    This may be your school - but in my school the classroom teachers are the ones with WAY too much to do. We have extra meetings during our planning and then we constantly see specials teachers walking around.....and we can't even get a restroom break!!
     
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    So you principal asked you to "flip" the times?? That sounds as though you were getting 2 free periods....and that is why principal thought it was ok for you to work the other period?

    If that's the case, I also don't see the harm. I don't think classroom teacher should lose their planning time and others get more than their fair share.

    Now, if she wanted you to give up your one planning time - then no - That is not right
     
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    That's how I read that too.

    In my school, the specials teacher relieves me if my students are in an assembly, rehearsal, etc. during my plan time and the special teacher's class time.
     
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    That's what we do too. The only exception to that is the final rehearsal before the performance. I learned that one the hard way. We have to be at the performance, at night & I didn't know what to do with my kiddos because I hadn't been at the final rehearsal.

    So, if I miss a prep because of that oh well. It's only 2 times a year.
     
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    Our principal will usually make sure that no one completely loses planning time. Sometimes it can't be helped. For example, Tuesday, none of us get specials because they are getting ready for the 3rd grade play. I have no doubt that some grades will work out a schedule where they each get a few minutes' break. I know one of my other 4th grade teachers will make sure she gets one. I don't know that I will, I don't have anyone across the hall from me, and I refuse to shuffle my kids off on the one that will cover her 15 - 20 minutes.
     
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    I was going to miss my prep due to our Christmas rehearsal, but my Special's teacher took over my class during the rehearsal and I was still able to have my prep. Could you possibly choose to take over a teacher's class during their PE time if their students are missing PE due to a special activity going on in the school?
     

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