What would it take to legally establish teacher unions in states where they are currently banned?

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  1. mathmagic

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    And vice-versa! I think we overgeneralize a lot -- union and non-union can both be situations that can work / not work. Looooooootttsss of elements at play!
     
  2. futuremathsprof

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    I agree. That’s why I’m always careful to say “At the private school where I work, we...” I don’t generalize to say ALL private schools do what mine does. ;)
     
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    I’m a union gal! My current supe began her career in a ‘right to work state’ and would probably prefer that as an admin. Our association has gone toe to toe with her on a variety of issues where she tries to wield power over policy. Statewide, our union is beginning to chip away at attacks to our pension, health care and collective bargaining rights. Without unions, we would not have sick leave, child labor laws, workers comp, overtime, weekends....
     
  4. 2ndTimeAround

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    No, not striking. Teachers took one day off and many school systems closed because there weren't enough subs. Everyone will be back on May 2nd.
     
  5. Reality Check

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    Pennsylvania recently put through a bill that allows teachers to NOT join a union if they don't want to. Personally, I think the PSEA has outlived its usefulness a long time ago, they've sold out. If I were teaching today, I would not join.
     
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    The CNN article clearly says:
    Thousands of North and South Carolina teachers are protesting -- but not just for the reasons you might think
     
  9. ready2learn

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    Same for South Carolina. A rally, not a strike.
     
  10. futuremathsprof

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    From the aforementioned article,
    “What will happen next?
    If Wednesday's protest doesn't produce enough change, teachers could be out of classrooms for much longer next school year.
    "We are prepared to work with the Legislature to avoid a long-term walkout, which will most likely happen next year at this time if these needs aren't met," Walker said.”

    Teachers will “rally” next year, too. Riiiggghhht.
     
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    Maybe it's just a matter of syntax but they took enough personal days they had to shut school districts down. I mean that sounds like a strike to me. Even if it was just for a day.
     
  12. MrTempest

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    You make references to unions in your examples. I am referring to areas without unions.
     
  13. 2ndTimeAround

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    No, a strike is when employees are out until their demands are met or negotiations are made. However long it takes. It is expected that ALL employees join in solidarity. Employees purposefully bring production to a standstill and the threat of not going back is what gives them leverage.

    This rally only shut down schools because the conditions are so bad that there aren't enough subs to cover. Most employees refrained from taking the day off. Everyone knew that school would continue the next day. It was for attention, not coercion.
     
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    All 50 states plus District of Columbia have teacher's unions. I live in Arizona and know a lot about the unions here. I don't know of a decent sized district in Arizona that doesn't have a teacher's union. This is coming from a state that is dead last in teacher's union strength. (see article link below).
    The point is that all states and nearly all districts have unions. Just some teacher unions are weaker than others.
    https://fordhaminstitute.org/nation...-are-us-teacher-unions-state-state-comparison
     
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  15. MrTempest

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    I am not talking about Teacher Associations, I am talking about unions. Even the report you cited stated the following in its link for Georgia, "Compared to teacher unions in other states, Georgia’s associations are not particularly involved in state politics."

    Check this out:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-teachers-unions-are-illegal-2011-2
     
  16. a2z

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    These associations are unions. It is just that their activities are curtailed in different states because of state laws.

    Are you really asking why some states can ban certain union activity?
     
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    This is not the norm--I saw the opposite. When i worked in NYC (one of the most powerful unions in the country) I taught in a closet, no texts, no materials, and was teaching at least one subject I was unqualified to teach - ESL. And this was my first year teaching. In my right-to-work state, while it hasn't been perfect, I pretty much get what I need, my class sizes are generally around 25 (there are exceptions) and my pay, pension and benefits are just as good as in the union state (I live in a much lower cost-of-living area, so my paycheck goes much farther)
     

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