What would it take to legally establish teacher unions in states where they are currently banned?

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  1. MrTempest

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    I wholeheartedly believe the environment for teachers and quality of learning would significantly be improved if states that ban teacher unions would change to allow them. What would be the process of making such a change?
     
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    What states ban unions? I didn't think that was legal.
     
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    I don't know how accurate this list is but this is what I found:
    What states are unions illegal?
    They are: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa,Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada,North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee,Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
     
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    I live in FL and was part of a union when I was in the public schools. We have them here, they just aren't as strong because you aren't required to join one. When I worked in PA, I didn't have a choice... I was a teacher, I was part of the union. Because it's a requirement in other states, the union seems to have more power.
     
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    Not to be a contrarian, but I’m glad I’m not part of a union and that teachers aren’t required to pay mandatory union dues anymore. I believe that districts should do away with collective bargaining and allow the teachers to negotiate their own salaries just like any other place of employment does.

    For instance, I like the model at my school, which is if you are deemed to be an effective or highly effective teacher, then you are placed at a higher step on the teacher salary schedule. And even then you still can negotiate if you offer a lot to the school.

    Basically, there are four primary factors that go into how your compensation is determined: 1) teacher effectiveness, 2) educational level/skill set/experience, 3) standardized test scores (if applicable), and 4) school community involvement. With that said, we do have a salary schedule but it is very fluid in that you can be placed higher if deemed you should be. And I also like that admin not only consider teacher observations (from the P, three VP’s, and department heads), but how well your students do on your formal assessments (they routinely and anonymously check the gradebook), the rigor of your classes (they monitor who regularly submits their lesson plans and how rigorous they are), if you employ different teaching styles to meet the needs of all learners (they look for this during their observations), and how prominent and contributory you are in the school community (though the first three criterion take precedent), etc. I think this is more fair of a process because a younger teacher has the same chance at salary advancement as someone who is more established. Performance >> tenure.
     
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    We may not have a "union" in Alabama but AEA covers my butt if needed. They fight for us at the state capital when other groups don't.
     
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    I live in Louisiana. Am member of a union. We are not required to be, and have the choice of three locally.
     
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    Can you cite your source regarding states that ban teacher unions? I don't know of any where teacher unions are banned. While a state may not require a person join a union or have right-to-work laws limiting what a union or association can do, I don't know of any outright ban.

    There are states that ban teacher strikes.

    Some will say that the NEA is not a union but an association when the person is in a right-to-work state, but it functions as a union in many ways, particularly in collective bargaining.
     
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    I think semantics is part of the equation. Many states don't have unions but they have teacher associations that fulfill many of the qualities of a union...contract negotiation, work rules, etc.
     
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    I'm a union member. I work in Utah. We just aren't forced to be a member. You can't stop a group of people from getting together no matter the reason, so long as they aren't being violent. See: First Amendment of the United States Constitution.
     
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    I have worked in two unionized public schools and two non-unionized schools (one private, one charter). At the non-unionized schools, I had class sizes of 40+, no guaranteed prep time, had to do lunch and recess duty, and generally was treated like a replaceable machine part. I would never work in a non-unionized school again.
     
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    Yep, we have a Constitutional provision that guarantees we have the right to assemble and a right to protest.
     
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    Can you honestly say that your experience in the non-unionized schools are indicative of ALL or the majority of non-unionized schools or just the ones you worked in?
     
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    Yeah, it's not accurate.

    It is a common misconception that many states ban unions. I'm in NC and three of my employers had active union membership.

    Teachers cannot strike in NC.
     
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    Aren't they striking in/around Nash county on May 1st? Didn't they close schools for it?
     
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    I guess it's up to the individual to research the schools they are applying to work in and find out if they have a union (if that's what you're looking for).
    It's also a misconception that private schools do not have unions but I work in a private school and we have one.
     
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    The problem in a non-unionized state is that teacher have no power to counter any of the nonsense that is pushed upon them from admin and the district. This could be anywhere from implementation of poor practices or flat out violations of state code. Admin gets comfortable not having teachers counter them for the benefit of the classroom and for those who may challenge them are seen as “rocking the boat” and they will find a way to get rid of them.
     
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    That has not been my experience at all, living in a non-union state.
     
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    Not my experience in AZ--a right to work state. I have seen the admin. incredibly scared of the union when it got strong when I worked in public schools. West Virginia, Arizona, and other states are learning to exercise union power even in a right to work state.
     
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