What is your homework policy?

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  1. futuremathsprof

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    Think of it like this: If a student athlete only practices during PE, are they going to reach their full potential like they would if they dutifully went to practice after school on days they are scheduled to have practices? No.

    Would students in band or symphony learn to play well if they don’t practice after school and on the weekends? Probably not. And I would hazard a guess and say more than likely not.

    If a student artist only learns about various artistic techniques in class and doesn’t practice them outside of class, then will they attain mastery?
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Elementary vs. secondary! :) Please don't take my comment as arguing the point that it is important in high school. I'm just trying to point out that there's a significant difference between it in elementary and high school (especially as you look at the research), and in addition, that homework itself doesn't denote a teacher's/course's quality.
     
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    Fair enough. My point is that even in some of my college classes that didn’t collect homework, they still assigned it because students needed that practice for the exams.

    There is a stronger correlation between student success and homework for grades 7-12, but a weaker correlation for lower grades.

    “The research

    The most comprehensive research on homework to date comes from a 2006 meta-analysis by Duke University psychology professor Harris Cooper, who found evidence of a positive correlation between homework and student achievement, meaning students who did homework performed better in school. The correlation was stronger for older students—in seventh through 12th grade—than for those in younger grades, for whom there was a weak relationship between homework and performance.

    Cooper’s analysis focused on how homework impacts academic achievement—test scores, for example. His report noted that homework is also thought to improve study habits, attitudes toward school, self-discipline, inquisitiveness and independent problem solving skills. On the other hand, some studies he examined showed that homework can cause physical and emotional fatigue, fuel negative attitudes about learning and limit leisure time for children. At the end of his analysis, Cooper recommended further study of such potential effects of homework.”
     
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    My Homework Policy
    -HW is assigned in at least 1 subject daily.
    -Reading logs must be turned in every quarter. Will be a project grade.
    -Late assignments will be worked on with a teacher during lunch time in classroom.
    -No grade reductions are made, unless the assignment is later than one week.
     
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    Punishing the teacher for missed homework as well?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
     
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    I offer tutoring to students who need help on the homework each lunch, and I make them very difficult purposefully. It’s not that big of a deal.
     
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    That's different. All teachers should offer help to students who want it. Sounds like teacher234 is force-feeding disinterested parties.
     
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    Yeah except when you stop teaching for the test students learn how to apply the information in new ways, not just spitting it back at you. I don't believe in homework, never have. Don't really believe in tests either. The ability to repeat information is if I'm not mistaken lower order thinking. The ability to take a concept and apply it to come up with new ideas is higher order thinking.

    I give homework because my school says so. I give tests because they say so. But if you have to cram for one of my tests the night before, it's because of your own laziness not an error on my part.

    By the way, do you just hate public schools in general or what? Because it seems like every chance you have you put public schools down and brag on your private schools. At the end of the day, it's not about which school is better. It's about which school students respond to better. And it's not oh here's a private school, you're magically going to be amazing. It takes a good teacher to make a good student.

    And to be honest I'm starting to take offense to your campaign in public schools. Every child deserves an education. But not every parent can afford to send their kids to private school. So does that mean that the poor shouldn't get am education because they can't afford private school tuition?

    Case in point: I have a student in my senior physics class whose family is extremely poor. His parents speak very broken English – complete sentences do not exist. This student struggles with English, but he's learning. He never had to speak English before they moved here in March of this year. But he's probably the brightest student I've ever seen in my entire life. I showed him a model of an equation ONCE using a real-world model and in just a couple seconds, he had figured it out. He's smart as a whip. Struggles with English, but I'd wager he'd show your private school students a thing or two.

    It ain't where you come from nor where you are. It's what you do with it.
     
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    I love absolutely every word of this paragraph.
     
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    I'm not that big on giving lots of homework. I might give two short assignments a week.

    Homework is not allowed to count for more than 10% of our grade. It is only 5% for me. I teach in a low-income school and our kids come from families with different levels of support. Some kids might have parents who literally do the work for them while others might have siblings to take care of, etc. and no parental support. Homework is a chance to practice and make mistakes and I never grade it on correctness, unless it is something like the kids taking home an assignment that they didn't finish.
     
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    10% of the student body at my private school are international students whose parents speak no English and require a translator or severely broken English. The students themselves are English Language Learners, but we have a summer immersion program where they are not allowed to speak in their native language and are forced to speak and write in English in a variety of different ways. At the end they retake the TOEFL tests and many of them boost their scores by 80-100 points.

    I’m sorry, but I’m not impressed by this student. Most students at my private school can do what you said and it’s nothing spectacular. I’ve taught a 7th-grade student in my Precalculus Honors class who spoke four languages and had a 180 IQ. I’ve had an 8th-grade Caucasian student last year who self-studied Chinese, was the top student in Chinese 3, and who got a 1,300 on the 8th/9th grade PSAT (which is out of 1,440). Said student also is an amazing jazz player (won national awards for this), is one of the most well spoken students I’ve had, and is now in AP Chinese and AP Calculus BC as a freshmen. We had a graduate last year who had a medical patent and did several major internships at biotechnology companies like Genentech and is now going to Johns Hopkins to become a medical researcher.

    We have had and have many amazing students who have never scored less than the 99th percentile, so I’d be willing to put my students up against yours any day. I’m not saying this to be a braggart, I’m just stating a fact. They are the norm at my school.

    And here we go again with my supposed “hating of public schools.” I don’t hate public schools at all. A LOT of them are great. I went to public schools and enjoyed it. But you and other posters, for whatever reason, think any criticism of them equals hatred of them. You can’t make that logical leap. Please move on and develop a new talking point any time I mention the “taboo” word public.

    Getting back on track, many of the students at my school wouldn’t be able do what they do here elsewhere because they would be told by their teachers and guidance counselors that they are “too young,” “they’re not yet ready,” “they’re not emotionally ready,” and other such nonsense. Obviously, they are able to handle it because they graduate top of their class and have some of the best test scores in the nation.

    And tuition at my private school is slightly more than what California pays for each student. It is not a lot considering what students get for it in return. Also, 40% of the student body receives financial assistance and only pays like 30-50% of the regular price. Do you know what impoverished parents do to pay that? They get a part-time minimum wage job to pay it and make monthly installments.

    I think students shouldn’t be forced to take standard course sequences if they can handle taking higher-level courses. I wish educators (public AND private) would just give students a chance to prove themselves and to challenge themselves instead of giving excuse after excuse why that can’t be passed up. I don’t care if a student goes to a public OR private school — I want them to get a sound education anywhere, regardless of their socioeconomic status.
     
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    And you don’t believe in tests? How else would you assess student learning for a unit?

    So doctors should just be allowed to practice medicine without passing their Boards? Teachers should be allowed to teach without getting their certifications? Student drivers and anyone in general should just be allowed to get their drivers licenses without passing a written and practical exam?

    Is that what your advocating? I just want to be sure.
     
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    The teacher who would work 1:1 with the student would either be myself or my aide. Having a "silent" lunch in the classroom is the best way for my students to learn and focus on the assignment. There are other times where they could work on the assignment, but I prefer to be able to provide individualized attention without 11 other students to help.
    I do not think it is a punishment for the teacher, because I enjoy helping my students whenever. My philosophy is "I teach, the way my students learn".
     
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    I wouldn't say that. I am helping the students who need assistance individually. A couple of my students are not interested in doing assignments, but a consequence still needs to be given. I will work with the students until the assignment is done or close to done, even if they do not want to work (within reason). Yes, it is a silent lunch, but it is an opportunity for the students to learn the skill and build homework performance.
     
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    The labs are my assessment. There's a whole lot of people who can't read the sign that says toilet but they know what to do. Whole lot of people who can't read music but they can out play anyone.

    With those particular 'exams' you are attempting to compare apples to oranges. There is a vast difference between a test that only requires you to spit back information and an assessment that requires you to demonstrate the skills. With those things you've listed, there's still a demonstration period in order to prove your knowledge of the skills.

    Do you remember every single thing you memorized for your drivers license exam? Every single detail. No? But I bet you know how to drive your car safely. For instance how many extra feet should you allow stopping distance for rainy conditions? Don't remember the exact amount? I didn't think you would because I sure don't. But I bet you know to compensate for rainy conditions.

    As far as the public school v. private school thing, if multiple people are telling you the same thing, perhaps it's time to self examine and see why people might be saying that. Personally I have no idea how you feel about anything. But it seems like every chance you get, you put down public schools for your 'superior' private school. At best it makes you sound like you hate public schools, at worst it just makes you sound snobby.

    Oh and for the record, that student I mentioned? You missed the entire point of why I mentioned him. It wasn't too prove that oh we're better. It wasn't something to put you down. There's of dozens of students just like him at my school and at every school. The point was that effort means more than circumstance.
     
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    I agree. Giving hw also helps the students when they are in college and have regular jobs. We all have HW as adults!
     
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    My new school, I'm doing what everyone else is doing in the grade. There is technically a homework packet, but it seems to consist of a news letter and some stuff they can read/practice. It seems a nice home-school connection for 1st grade, but doesn't strike me as true homework.

    I'm not really a fan of homework, at least as far as elementary goes.

    Yes, they could use the homework to "practice responsible" but aren't there other ways? I've never met anyone who was horrified to not have homework at an earlier point of life but have homework at a later point of life.
     
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    I'm sure you make a fine time of it, but I admit I would be horrified at any school forcing teachers to have lunch tutoring. If it works for you, hey, but, oh, I shudder at the thought. I want my lunch break.
     
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