What a waste of time!

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  1. Aliceacc

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    My kids returned to school today.

    My son had 4 subs!!! Four!!! Each of those classes was a study hall, so he was bored once he had completed the work assigned by the few teachers who did show up.

    I understand that people get sick. But I also understand that we're coming off a week and a half vacation. Had my family taken an extended vacation, it would have been an "unexcused absence."

    Oh, and he took a math test on December 17. He needed to do well, and worked his tush off to prep for that test. The grade has yet to be posted. We hear a lot about how we're supposed to be keeping an eye on Power School. Well, I have been. But that makes it kind of obvious when there's a 2 week lag between the time a test is given and the time it's graded. (Yes, his math teacher was one of those absent today.) And the test was largely scantron.

    It's frustrating, trying to emphasize with him that school is important, when that's not always the message he's getting from school.

    School is closed tomorrow for the blizzard. With any luck, all his teachers will have "recovered" for Monday.
     
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  3. gr3teacher

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    I would have been unapologetically "sick" had my school been in session today, and ditto tomorrow.
     
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    First, I think it's really strange that schools have two days of school before the weekend. We don't go back until Monday, and that's a workday for teachers-kids come back on Tuesday.

    Perhaps the teachers had scheduled those days off in advance? They could be using their personal days to make these an even two weeks off from school. Perhaps they traveled. We're doing a road trip Friday-Saturday this weekend and using Sunday to get ready for the new work week.

    Also, I gave a test on the Thursday before school got out (16th). I did not grade it that evening, and my break started Friday at noon. I made a commitment to myself not to work on school over my break-I needed to spend it with my family. So if the kids were coming back on Monday, I would not have it for them. They would it get it Tuesday or Wednesday.

    I feel your frustration, but I'm just giving a different perspective. If so many teachers are going to use their assigned personal days, perhaps school should just start on Monday? And the two week lag time was not technically work time. Those in our school who are really pro-union won't even check their e-mail over school breaks, let alone grade papers or work in their rooms.
     
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    When school opens is not something I, or my son, can control.

    School was open. So he went.

    Unfortunately, 4 of his teachers did not do the same.

    If all 4 days were pre-approved, then perhaps the school needs to limit the number of people who can extend their vacations? And perhaps they need to leave a real assignment?

    I gave a trimester exam on December 18. Grades were due the 19th. I got my grades in on time.
     
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    Yuck. What a horrible message those kids received today.

    I know that I would have quite a few questions to answer if I wasn't at school the first day after the break. In fact, several years ago, I had to leave my family in Florida and fly home (we had driven down) so that I would be at school the first day back. I've been avoiding that stack of essays that the kids turned in the last day before Christmas, but you can bet that they'll be done before Monday.

    Edited to add: If we are out the day before or after a break or a long weekend, we must have a doctor's note or proof of delays (e.g. cancelled flights) that kept us from returning. We don't have personal days, so taking one wouldn't be an option.
     
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    I too gave a test before break. Because of my other assigned duties that week I did not get to grade the scantrons until right before I left. I have not looked over the scores much less put them into the computer. I don't feel the least bit bad about it. And frankly, if a parent complains, I will find a Julia Sugarbaker way of saying "tough s*it."
     
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    You can't control when school starts, nor can your son, nor can your son's teachers.

    I'm just going to go out on a limb though, and guess that many of your son's classmates were also out?
     
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    Wow! I'm shocked at that many absences. And I'm especially shocked that none of them left lesson plans for the subs. Definitely a waste of a day.
     
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    I have no idea how many kids were out. I didn't ask.

    I'm not sure why that matters though.
     
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    Adding...I also have two different assignments that need to be graded. Had I not been given FOUR BS assignments of my own the last week before break, they would have been done. But because my district and school decided I needed more work to do and gave me a mandatory deadline, the student work was put on the back burner. I decided that I would only do two things for work over my break. I've done them and will not do any more until I return.

    Again, I am totally unapologetic for the delay. I will explain my choices to anyone that asks, but I will not defend them.
     
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    Mostly just to point out that the blame here lies with the school for having a useless two-day week, not with the teachers/students.
     
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    Do you think they were out because of the snow?
     
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    We were back at school today. If we had a single teacher absent in the building I am not aware of it, I know for sure all the 4th and 5th grade teachers were there anyway. My kids were back at school today and neither mentioned anything about subs so I'm assuming all their teachers (or certainly most anyway) were back at school. Around here it's normal to go back on the 2nd, regardless of which day of the week it falls on. Maybe if it is on a Friday we'd hold off on starting school until Monday, but that's it. As far as absent students, I had one absent out of 25 students.

    So, while I obviously can't speak for Alice's son's school, and student absences there, my school had a totally normal day for attendance.
     
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    Nope. We still have pretty much no snow on the ground; the storm reallly just got started a few minutes ago.
     
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    Unacceptable, unless there was some weird faculty plague. I would ask the principal about this.
     
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    Our one teacher missed our last day before break to see her son play in a national title game. I don't begrudge her this at all, and thankfully neither did our P or board who approved her absence. We need board approval to take off the last day before break or first day back after break. I missed the last day of instruction plus exam days last year because of my grandmother's very sudden death.

    I haven't entered any grades over break, nor will I. My students can wait. In fact, if I scrolled their last date of access, I bet most of them would be before December 20. I don't expect students or staff to work over break, though I know many of us do.

    I would imagine those teachers got approval to miss or took a day without pay. I would be unhappy going back today. I'm glad we have extra time. I need it!
     
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    Wait, so it's not their fault they chose to take the day?? And to leave "study hall" as an assignment??? It's the fault of someone else??

    Sorry, but I wouldn't take that excuse from my 15 year old son, I'm having difficulty accepting it from his teachers. Each of us controls our own actions. Each of those teachers made the choice to be out today, and to assign a study hall, knowing there would be no work to do.

    Adults take responsibility for their choices. These 4 adults chose to be out.

    Perhaps all 4 of them had a stomach bug, or all 4 spent the night in the ER.

    But it was a huge waste of time for my son and his classmates.
     
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    Maybe just different demographics then... I've never been in a situation with a two-day week for Christmas break, but the week of Thanksgiving, we have two and a half days... I usually have about 3/4 of my class Monday, about 3/5 on Tuesday, and maybe 1/2 for the half day on Wednesday.
     
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    I see. :)

    I do think it's problematic that so many teachers were out, and even more problematic that they didn't seem to leave a lesson plan. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with teachers being out if they left good plans for the sub.

    About the test, even though the teacher had two weeks to grade the tests, it was vacation, so I wouldn't expect them to be graded.
     
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    The test was Tuesday the 17th. School ended Friday the 20th.

    It was a scantron test.

    She wasn't in school today, and school has been canceled for tomorrow, so I imagine that means he won't get it back on Monday either.

    So it will be almost 3 weeks between the time she gave the test and the day she'll return it.
     
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