The Walkout and Quiz Grades

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  1. a2z

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    But if you are making your decision because you don't want kids to have to choose between peer pressure and a choice in making them take a zero because you don't want them to feel bad, students are ruling your decisions.

    There also might be kids who would be very happy to have a rule in place that they could point to as a reason to not go along with the crowd. So, actually saying zero for the quiz might benefit some students who really don't want to participate but feel pressured to do so with no consequence to use as their reason not to go along with the crowd.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, why are you so dead set against changing the date of the quiz?
     
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    That would be a HUGE slap in the face to students to think they need to be babied like that for their protest. Turning it into the "McResistance" almost. Besides, I plan months in advance, and we are only allowed to give assessments on certain days of the week and so it would be a hassle to re-vamp the entire agenda. I was already hesitant to even offer a make-up for them on their own time. If they want to protest, I support it, but I think requiring a small sacrifice from the students for making that choice is entirely appropraite.
     
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    You bring up a good point. I do take students’ feelings into consideration when I make decisions about my job. I wouldn’t say they’re in control. All I’m really saying is just make sure admin backs up anything you do that may stray from the norm or might seem controversial. I actually like the Trademark’s reason behind it. I’m only concerned because it’s my job I have to consider and I worry about every angle (how will this be perceived by everyone - will people think it’s to show lack of support even if that’s not your intention? If admin is informed and has your back it could help the situation). That’s all. And admin might even say all teachers have to go out with the kids. Who knows. I haven’t gotten anything official from admin yet on how to handle this whole thing.
     
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    I think the fact that the quiz is planned so much in advance and it’s extremely difficult to move it back helps your case. In fact I’d lean more towards keeping it too. For me, I plan quizzes days in advance (well way more than that but I notify students days in advance) soit would look like I did it on purpose.
     
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    Here I am expecting the walk-out to be only 30 min or so, so any of my students who walked out would be back in class in time to still take the quiz. Then they would have extra homework of whatever the other students did after the quiz.
     
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    It kinda sounds like you don’t support it, but also don’t want to look like a jerk. I mean it’s fifteen points, what lesson do you think you’re teaching them over some small quiz?
     
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    Oh Janie, have you done your reading? I might have to give you a 0 for homework : )
     
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    Honestly, not allowing them to make up the quiz makes it seem like you don't support the walk out. I don't think it's fair to use a quiz grade as a life lesson. I would support my students in standing up for what they believe in.
     
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    “I have a small quiz planned. It is only 15 points, which compared to the total number of points I have available, is very insignificant.”

    I can read perfectly well.
     
  11. TrademarkTer

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    All of it Janie, or just the Sparknotes? ;)

    The full text gets into the lesson :p
     
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    Support them by not taking it seriously? You can't just be like "oh those kids, let them have their little protest". To me it's disrespectful if we aren't willing to take it seriously.
     
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    I love this reasoning and agree wholeheartedly. I think this is a great learning opportunity and you're right that it's important for kids to see that change doesn't come without consequence. And I wouldn't worry about whether keeping the quiz makes you look like you don't support their cause, because our political beliefs shouldn't be known to our students IMO, even when they are the same as our students'. I'd say in regards to a make-up or 0, go with your usual policy around absences and make it known ahead of the walkout that you're upholding that policy. Good luck, it's definitely not an easy choice.
     
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    Don't change the date. Allow make-ups. This isn't really the same as ditching the period for funsies, and there is still a consequence. The consequence is that students will need to come in on their own time to make up the quiz. You can offer the make-up at a particular time that works for you so that you won't be terribly inconvenienced.
     
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    How does allowing a make-up make it seem like you're not taking it seriously?
     
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    I don't agree with changing your policy or the schools policy for this. In a way, this really isn't different than skipping for funsies. If it isn't a school sanctioned event saying it is allowable without consequences, their purpose for the walk-out is irrelevant even if we might agree with their cause. Why should someone be inconvenienced? What if they chose to walk out for another issue that they felt was very important to them but not so much to the teacher?

    We shouldn't be picking or choosing the politics of the walk-out.

    There is a time and a place. Walking out on teachers, in my opinion, is not the time or place. Protesting on their own time, their fun time, shows more conviction.
     
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    That's the other thing I'm wondering. If they were having a protest, for example, saying they get too much homework, would my reaction be consistent? How about if they were walking out in support of gun rights? I would like it to be a consistent reaction.
     
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    This.

    Unless you would be willing to work with the student on any category of protest, you need to be consistent.
     
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    I agree with Caesar whole-heartedly. Having to make up the quiz during lunch or after school or whenever works for you (and is maybe most inconvenient for them) is the consequence. But I've also never worked in a district that would let me choose to not give a make up so maybe I'm biased. That would absolutely not fly, regardless of the reason (or non-reason) for the absence.
     
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    Should the teachers in WV be protesting on their own time? These kids across the country are on the brink of doing something adults haven’t been able to do. They have the right to take peaceful disruptive action to bring about change.
     
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