The Walkout and Quiz Grades

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  1. TrademarkTer

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    So many of the students in my school are planning on participating in the March 14th walkout over school shootings.

    On that day, I have a small quiz planned. It is only 15 points, which compared to the total number of points I have available, is very insignificant. (Getting a 0 on it would move a student's grade down by only like 2% at most.)

    I am going back and forth with this. I definitely support the students in walking out and agree with the message, but I am not sure what to do about the small quiz. Part of me wants to give those students 0s. Not because I disagree with what they are doing, but because I want them to see that actions have consequences. This is because I want the students to realize that affecting change is not going to be easy, and there could be unfortunate consequences to protests in the real world. If this issue is really important to them, the few points they are losing should be inconsequential. Facilitating the protest too much to me makes it less authentic, and it encourages kids to walk out just to get out of class. It is not an excused absence from class to attend the walk-out, and so, any other cut would have the same consequences.

    Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but if the kids really feel this is an important issue to take a stand on (and I would agree that it is!), then they should show that they are willing to take a 0 to make a stand.
     
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    I'm all for them protesting on their own time. Since it is not an excused absence the school's unexcused absence policy should apply.
     
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    We don’t have an unexcused absence policy. An absence is an absence and can be made up. Honestly I would change the date of the quiz.
     
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    That's 100% not happening. The nicest I would be is letting them make it up during their lunch period.
     
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    I guess it depends on your school and what admin have to say about it. I don’t know that dealing with the aftermath would be worth it to me (whatever that may be). Kids will find out real life consequences sooner or later. I think they arent always mature enough to understand that intent. They (and parents and admin) may see it as lack of support or getting back at them. I’m not sure yet what my admin’s take on it is yet. Well find out soon enough.

    Just make sure you’re super clear with your explanation.
     
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    Mantra, "I'm following school policy until told otherwise."
     
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    What would you do for students who are absent because they are sick or have an appointment?

    I always allow students to make up any assessments they miss, so I would follow my standard procedure.
     
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    I would absolutely allow them to make it up during lunch or after school.
     
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    True, but those are excused absences, generally for the whole day. This is an unexcused absence for a single period....kind of like a cut.
     
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    I’d change the date of the quiz and offer any help to get them out there protesting. If you have that many out and offer a make up for the quiz- seems like you’re just creating more work for yourself. If they care enough to form an opinion and do something, I’d be cheering them on.
     
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    Thinking about this more, I think if you offer makeup that would be fine. I think a lot of kids are going to feel pressured to go out even if they don’t have an opinion one way or the other (or are against it but are too scared to go against the crowd). Having to make a choice between their grade and their peers can be agonizing to them at this age, which may not be the effect you intended.
     
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    True! I didn't necessarily think about that angle. I'm still not changing the date. Even if the whole class has to be in with me taking it during lunch, that's fine with me, but I think I may not go with the 0. I am going to see what my colleagues are planning to do as well for consistency.
     
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    Protest or not, it seems pretty black and white to me. Excused absence: make up the quiz. Unexcused absence: 0.
     
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    I wish we had an unexcused absence policy....
     
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    Isn't this another lesson they should be learning? They need to do what they believe rather than follow the crowd. Treating others badly is usually something kids do for the same reason you are giving here - peer pressure. It's a two-for!
     
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    I agree with you. I guess I just wouldn’t want to be giving a reason for it or somehow feel responsible for it.
     
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    Even with the circumstances, a make-up quiz policy is a make-up quiz policy. If they want to not attend class and are still on school property, then give the zero.
    There is a quiz and that is it!
    Even if the student's absence is valid, quizzes that are not completed by marking period are zeros (or no grade is given, and ABS is put in place of the grade.) With that said, failing to attend class should receive a consequence, regardless of the situation (unless the situation relates to a student medically or personally when at home and not on the school property.)
     
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    Sounds to me kids are in control then.
     
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    No my boss is in control. Anything I do that may seem controversial or goes against what everyone else is doing goes through my boss first. This is why I say make sure to see what admin has to say about the situation (do we go out with them, stay in and conduct class as usual, do we decide, etc.). Personally im more concerned about the unintended consequences of a planned exodus from the school but I do support the idea behind the movement. I also don’t want to look like I’m taking a particular political stand one way or the other because that is not my job or to have unintended consequences of any choice I make. So really I’m more careful than anything. I’m not worried about students being “in control.”
     
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