I've pulled a significant number of 5th grade sub jobs this year. Generally I get the younger grades, but at the beginning of the year you take what you can get. I rarely get a cooperative group of 5th graders. First, there's the talking...incessantly.... When I tell them to take out whatever book, math, LA, etc...I get an AWWWWW..... When I give them an assignment, it's "do we HAVE to do 1-20? Can't we do 1-10?" When I say "no" I get, "but my teacher lets me." Then there is the constant work they do to get each other in trouble. If the classes spent half the time working that they do trying to get out of work, they might actually learn something. Today's group missed recess due to rain. They were convinced that I'd shorted their time when the bell rang and I made them get back to work. Because I'm a sub, I'm automatically at a disadvantage. The glee on their faces when they see that they have a sub is like they're waking up on Christmas morning to a pile of gifts. I remind them first thing that the same rules are in play, no matter who the teacher is on a given day. I tell them that arguing with me will get them nowhere and might even get their name on the board or whatever the system is in the class. I never back down on the "my teacher lets us" arguments. I give out whatever consequences the teacher leaves me and I do all the management things in the book in the limited time I'm with them. I'm honestly at a point where I'm considering dumping classroom management upside down and writing all the names on the board when I come in and telling them that they will earn the right to have the names erased. I may experiment with that and see if the shock of a backward system will make an easier day. And it'll be easier than constantly having to write names up during trouble. It's always 5th grade. Younger grades and older grades have their own sets of issues, but 5th is the most challenging --- and I just know that when I finally get a contract, that's where I'll end up! So 5th teachers, I know you know this age group. What works?