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  1. TrademarkTer

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    Do you have to sign in to work? For the past 15 years we have not had to sign in to work (I haven't been here all 15 of those years, but that's how long the old principal was here). This year we have a brand new principal, and he is instituting a sign-in sheet for teachers. It wouldn't be a big deal except teacher parking is the in the back of the school, and we have to walk all the way to the front of the school to sign in, which can be a nuisance when I have a million things to do before the kids arrive. Our school is large so walking to the front of the school and back takes at least 10 minutes. Additionally, it kind of feels like the message is we can't be trusted to come to work on time, whereas we never had issues with this under the old administration.
     
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  3. MrsC

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    No sign in for us.
     
  4. Caesar753

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    We don't have to sign in. I would also hate having to do this for the same reasons you mentioned. My time in the morning is limited and I basically have every minute scheduled. If I have to walk across campus just to sign in, it's going to mess up my plans. Arriving to school earlier is not an option because of daycare.
     
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    I've had to sign in at two schools where I've worked. I did not have to sign in at the other two schools where I've worked.

    I agree that it signals that professionals can't be trusted, but it is necessary for a few who do take advantage. Given that your building is so large (10 minutes plus from one end to other?!?), I'd ask about having sign-in log located near multiple entrances, if possible. That seems like a reasonable compromise.
     
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    This. You shouldn't be punished because of room placement.
     
  7. Sab

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    I have to place a check mark by my name on a sign-in sheet every day, but it's not really a problem because the sheet is right by my mailbox, which I have to check every morning anyways.
     
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    Salaried employees having to sign in pisses me off. Really, really makes me furious. We don't have contracted hours in my state. You better believe any time weather interferes with instructional time, the district is quick to say that teachers should be doing XYZ during that time, working from home. Multiple Open Houses each year? "It's expected and your hours are based on OUR needs."We are told that we are expected to be at the school from 8-4 each day. But we are at the whim of the district for hours beyond that.

    Last year we had a short stint where teachers had to sign into a book kept in the front office by the school's secretary. So she could keep an eye on us. WTH??? I kept my cool but I (and I imagine many other teachers did as well) told my principal that if I had to sign in, I would do it precisely at 8 and I would leave every day at exactly 4. He could take me off of every committee that meets after school. Students could make up their tests in multiple sessions after school because I would be leaving exactly at four. I would not read or answer emails after four. He would have to have someone at the district level to declare that all of the teachers at my school do anything beyond those hours. I was not going to be babysat by the school secretary.

    I'm sure he did it to keep track of the slackers. But insulting the rest of us was not the way to approach it. It lasted for just a couple of weeks.
     
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    I do at my new school because the usual system of moving time cards is not available. I was kinda taken aback at first because I pictured hoards of people trying to sign in and out at the same time but that hasn't been the case. Plus my school is small and my classroom is right near the main office anyways.
     
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    Time cards? I don't think I've ever heard of teachers using those.
     
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    I've never seen one, never mind use one. The only job I've ever had to sign in and out of was my first job--cashier in a drug store when I was 17.

    I should add, our subs do need to sign in and out, as do any visitors to our building.
     
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    Yes, I have to do that at my school, and the principal gets annoyed that when teachers forget to sign in in the morning. Just two weeks ago, we had to "sign out" as a record for the school district because we have a new superintendent.

    I don't have any problems with this as I felt that if you are a responsible educator, it shouldn't bother you that much. If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
     
  13. MissScrimmage

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    Only our substitute teachers, clinicians and guests have to sign in. I am a consultant for the entire division and I sign in when I arrive at a school, but that is for safety (knowing who is in the building). Any staff member that is on contract in the building does not sign in and out.

    10 years ago, when I worked in a daycare, we had to initial our time sheet every day.
     
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    We sign in, but not out. Signing in isn't seen as insulting, just how this site works. Only the front door is open, so the sheet is where we are entering anyway. We are supposed to sign out and back in if we leave during contracted hours, but not everyone does that.
     
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    Everything is not a personal attack. Signing in tells the school who is in the building. If there's an emergency, they have a list of everyone present. I would check what district policies were updated this summer and it may shed some light.

    Unless they ask you to scan in digitally with a fingerprint, it is not a tool to keep you honest. I've been in buildings where unfortunately, that honesty check was actually necessary.
     
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    We only sign in for PD sessions that are outside of contract hours so they have a record of our attendance for payroll.

    My last district didn't make us sign in but the principal would watch when we came in on the cameras and write up only certain people if they came late. My new district does ask that we are there 15 minutes before the school day officially starts for kids but they trust us as professionals to not have any mandated hours and let us come and go within reasonable times. My school is tiny (only 4 teachers with combo classes) so it is pretty obvious when we're there and when we leave but I only stop in the office to check my mailbox and chat with our amazing secretary as I head to my room.
     
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    Ive been in buildings where you swipe id's and enter pin, and buildings with finger print sign in. Both were in urban schools.
     
  18. 2ndTimeAround

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    Substitutes tell admin when someone is not there for the day. When I'm out for the day, my electronic request for a sub is my "call in." If we leave during our planning period, we are asked to sign out and let a neighboring teacher know. For safety reasons. I have zero problem with that. It is the signing into a book that the secretary controls so she can police our arrival and departure times that I have an issue with. It is the signing in where there is a witness so you won't be able to lie about your time that bothers me. If you don't trust me with my time, how the world are you trusting me to keep 150 kids safe throughout the day? If you think I might lie about coming in at 8 instead of 8:03, aren't you concerned about the falsehoods I am spreading to impressionable minds?

    Nope, signing in and out is a way for an administrator to reign in the bad employees without having to address anything face to face.
     
  19. Always__Learning

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    We do not sign in and I wouldn't want to have to but our contracts do require employees to be treated equitably, so if we were having a problem on a large campus with certain people not showing up for work on time (we are required to be at work for specific hours by our contract) it might be difficult to prove and I could see the result being a District wide expectation that we sign in. Currently, this happens with sick leave. There are specific steps taken for all employees who miss a certain number of school days because the District has to be equitable in how it investigates sick leave, so the only way to legally distinguish between legitimate sick leave and abuse it to have all employees subject to the same processes.
     
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    I've only ever had to sign in for PD.
     
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    I can see that aspect but the policy doesn't make the most sense. Why do we care if three teachers come into school five minutes late every day? That's fifteen minutes lost of work time each day, right? So let's instead have 140 teachers spend five minutes of their morning and another five minutes of their afternoon, walking to the front office to sign in/out. So now we have 1400 lost minutes of production. And you still have to speak to the late teachers if they show up late with this method.

    Maybe, just maybe, stand at the repeat offenders' doors and wait for them to arrive in the morning. Ten minutes one day to "catch" him coming in late. Two minutes to have a conversation about how it should never happen again. 30 minutes (maybe 36) of the principal's week spent actually doing his job (managing staff) versus 1400 minutes of teachers not getting to do theirs.
     
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