Student Teaching: Co-teaching model?

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  1. Ms.Holyoke

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    I am student teaching next year and my university reached out to me about my placement. They said that there is a placement that follows a co-teaching model. This means that the student teacher never gets to completely take over. I asked and they said their normal co-teaching model is the mentor teacher teaching the lesson and the student teacher assisting. Sometimes they switched the other way. I feel like I would not get the experience I want from this even though it is probably less work. The issue is that this placement is a reasonable commute and the other placements would be further away. I'll be in a city so I will bed public transport. What do you think I should do? I feel sort of upset that there are no placements closer to me where I can have a normal student teaching experience.
     
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    The school where I did my student teaching followed a co-teaching model and the main thing that meant was I had to do a bunch of pointless online trainings with my CT on station teaching and other co-teaching strategies...apparently my university adopted that approach because while students don't show benefits in classes with student teachers, they DO show benefits in classes with co-teachers. But really I don't think it was any different than "normal student teaching." I still started taking over subjects slowly throughout my placement and did my two weeks solo teaching at the end. I think you should stick with it, I think it will be different than you're imagining.
     
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    In this school, they said there will be no solo teaching at all. The majority of the lessons, your mentor will lead and you assist. I will have some lessons where I would lead and the mentor assists but they said the majority of the time the mentor is teaching. Therefore, there will be no time period where you get to "solo teach" for a few weeks.
     
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    Sorry, but I don't see the benefit of the student teacher never having the opportunity to lead the class solo. I have a student teacher right now, and we have been co-teaching; we will continue to do see when I see the need,but he will teach the majority of the next three weeks as the lead teacher in the classroom. He needs that experience.
     
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    For some reason, this school only allows a co-teaching option. So I may get to lead the class sometimes (but not a lot it seems) but my mentor teacher would always be assisting and working with students. Most of the time I would be in the role if the assistant. I really want to be able to lead the class so I may just have to find a way to travel to a farther school.
     
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    I don't think having your mentor teacher assist would necessarily be really intrusive...it could be something like when you're teaching and you give the students breaks for independent work you both walk around answering questions. It's nice to have that kind of extra help. Plus assisting yourself isn't so bad, you can actually learn a lot from observing someone else teach. If you become a teacher, you'll have your whole career to solo teach. If you get along with your mentor teacher and are otherwise happy with your placement I think you should give it a shot.
     
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    I've heard of a lot of schools doing something like this because they're too worried about their state test scores to let student teachers completely take over. I know my dad's school does this and the first school I worked in did this as well. Honestly, if the difference is only a 2 week "lead" if you were to go somewhere else, I wouldn't worry that much about it. I don't think you'd get much out of 2 weeks either, TBH. In my area most schools are switching to having their specialists (like EL teachers or SPED teachers) co-teach in gen ed classrooms rather than pulling kids out for resource classes. I've seen several job postings for gen ed teachers that say they want the person to have experience co-teaching. Having an experience like this could really boost your resume.
     
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    That's a good point! Maybe I should take it. It just scares me that the first time being in charge of a class will be my full time teaching but it may be worth it to have a shorter commute. I'll see what the director says when she emails me back
     
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    Student achievement is one reason but speaking as someone who has been a mentor teacher multiple times it is more about ensuring what my class will be like when you leave. If I turn my class over to you completely for months at a time I am severely hurting my relationships with my students. It has little to do with your ability. I can make up for missed instruction, I can't make up for missed time.

    I've stopped taking student teachers because of the expectation that I be out of the room so much. My kids will still be my kids second semester when you're gone. I need to have that connection with them. A co-teaching model sounds much more effective in that sense.
     
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    This really sucks. If you can never really take over, you will not see how it is to plan and implement a lesson on your own, and half of the time they don't work because you overplanned / underplanned, the lesson is too boring, or because you tried to make t too interactive, it fell apart. This happened to me so much and I learned from it.
    You will not see how it is to handle a classroom every day without another teacher present and come up with solution, techniques for behavior problems, and basically do the every day ins and outs of teaching.

    I would take a longer commute to just have this experience.
     
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    I'm still waiting on a reply about how far the other schools are. Thank you for the perspective.
     
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    In today's current climate, it's not rare to not completely turn over to a ST. I gave my ST this year a unit at a time to teach plus she an morning meeting, spelling groups and taught cursive. I DID NOT turn over reading, writing or math as these are state tested subjects (PARCC). The ST helped kids one on one in these subjects but I solely taught them.
     
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    That's good to know! When I had student teachers in school, they always fully took over so it's good to know it's common now. Do you think that it is enough preparation for student teachers if they don't teach core subjects? I definitely understand why schools wouldn't want them to.

    Also, the situation has changed and the placement has shifted to a more traditional experience where I would take over! The problem is that it is 8th grade. I really wanted to teach 6th...and 7th was the oldest I wanted. I'm not sure what to do now...
     
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    Do it. I never wanted to teach higher than grade 6, and even that was a stretch in my mind. My first permanent position involved, among other things, teaching grade 7 and 8. It was a struggle at first, but by just over halfway through that year I knew I had found my niche. Now, I shudder to think of being asked to teach lower than 7!
     
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    8th grade is a good grade to do student teaching, because you can use that as experience to get a job teaching middle school, but you can also talk it up for high school, they're so close to age. You never know what you will decide later. I wanted to teach middle school (my daughter was in 7-8 grade at the time, did my student teaching in 8th grade (also had another classroom with mixed grades of 6-7-8) and ended up teaching high school.
     
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    Thanks Linguist! I look very young and I am a bit more comfortable with younger kids so I thought a 6th grade would be a better placement for me. That's the grade I hope to teach but I think I will take the 8th grade. The commute is only 30 minutes by train including walking and the others would be longer. I think I'm going to tell her I would a younger grade prefer a commute similar to the 8th grade school but I will be happy to take the 8th grade if nothing is available. I'm on a scholarship so I need to teach in a high needs district which is why this is so hard!!
     
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    That is so good to hear!! I really hope I will like 8th grade too. The student teacher who did the placement last year said that the 8th graders were great!!
     
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    After 5 STs.....It's fairly easy to discern who has it or doesn't pretty quickly. I don't need to turn over major subjects to know who can teach and truthfully they dont need to teach EVERYTHING ALL DAY to hone their Skills. Those who are lacking aren't going to dramaticallty improve during their short ST placement.
     
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    I actually sat in that interview and said, several times, "I don't teach grade 7 or 8." Thankfully, the P didn't listen to me!
     
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    For me this wouldn't be true. I had a semester long student teaching placement and I learned a LOT. I went from overplanning (4 times the amount I could have actually fit into the class timeframe), going from super nervous to confident, I also learned a lot of about varying strategies. The most I had learned was about classroom management, and the only way it was possible was the fact that my teacher left me alone after 3 weeks. I was in full control of the classroom, planning, teaching, grading, calling home, detentions, etc. My teacher was never far, if I had problems I was able to call him, which happened once. We would meet during lunch and sometimes after school and discussed what was going on.
    These groups of 8th graders were very tough, and my student teaching wasn't easy, but I learned a lot. If he didn't let me take over, I would have watched a very strict teacher handling everything very well, and would have had no clue how hard it really was.
     

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