Stubborn Student???

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  1. mom2sands

    mom2sands Comrade

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    I have a what seems to be extremely stubborn student who only moves and does what is asked of her at her own pace or more often not at all. She just turned 5 in June. I've talked to both parents. I take privileges away from her. Sometimes just asking her to sit down at her desk after a transition is difficult or on the other hand, asking her to stand up to come to the rug for group activities is difficult. She lays across the desk or takes five minutes to walk to and from a designated area. I've buddied her up with another, more mature student and still the same response. I can call her name four or five times and she never turns her head or answers. She can talk and she can hear. She's just extremely selective. Should I proceed with requesting a child study on her? I already have two students who are in line to get one. This year's class is just full of interesting personalities..... Lack of maturity is a reason for her not to be in kindergarten in my opinion. The parents should have held her back. Two questions that she has no problem asking are about recess and computer time. She can't write her name and after 3 weeks in school still cannot recognize the first letter of her name. Any input would be greatly appreciated!:(
     
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  3. tiffharmon2001

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    Sounds to me like she is fighting for control (and winning if you are waiting for 5 minutes while she decides to come to the rug).

    I would give her NO attention when she is behaving that way. If all the other children are on the rug, I would begin my activities without her. Then, I would dismiss her to centers, recess, or whatever last.

    I would also have her spend some of her recess or center time "practicing" whatever it was that she refused to do. You can make it fun for her (see if she can get there before the sand time runs out or count how many steps to get to where ever). This is going to take some of your time, but it will be worth it when she "gets it" and you no longer have to deal with her behaviors.

    I don't think she needs a child study. She just needs some work on learning to be obedient (I know that's a bad word these days). Unless you can convince the parents and your P that moving her back to PreK is the answer, it sounds like she's your for the year. To save your sanity, deal with this now so that you aren't dealing with it the entire year.

    As far as recognizing her name and writing her name, I think you need to give her time. Three weeks isn't that long. Just make sure she has many many opportunities to see her name in print and to practice writing it. She'll get it.
     
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    I do start without her and I call on her last for centers. I hate to begin without her because she needs it most. Her weekly reading assessment scores are basically wrong because she is unresponsive. On another assessment, she circled every first answer on some pages and every answer on other pages. We also have PALS (phonologocial awareness) testing quickly approaching.

    I have her to practice her name because everything that I send home just stays in her folder. I've talked to both parents and sent home several notes asking that they call me back. I'm trying so hard to be patient. I guess that I've just never seen a student so stubborn. I know that some parents are uninvolved and that I will most likely be her sole source of educational support. Hopefully her communication, listening and responding, will improve sooner than later.
     
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    Are you sure you don't teach my class? I have a little girl that is exactly like yours. It is soooooo frustrating. I have been ignoring her and does seem to help. If I don't make eye contact with her, she usually will stop and join the group. It is hard but try to ignore her and see if this helps.
     
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    I have a student like that as well. I do not hold up 21 other students from learning because one student is not following directions, though. If she continues to act that way, wait until it's time for fun and have her do whatever she missed while dilly-dallying. Make sure she makes up every minute of the activities she misses.

    Another thing that works for me and gets the student the info she needs is having my assistant work with her. That way, I am still teaching the other students, and she is getting the lesson as well.

    Maybe a point system in which you have some kind of reward (extra computer time, etc.) when she does what she's supposed to do on time.

    Hope it gets better! I definitely know how it feels!
     
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    Firmness and consistency. Reward the heck out of the other children who are doing the right thing, even go as far as to give stickers or stamps, on a totally random basis, to those who are on the rug on time. Reward her lavishly when she IS doing the right thing. I know for me, emotionally, I don't WANT to praise those kids for doing the right thing the one time out of 50 that they chose to do so....but that's going to really help.

    Planned ignoring is sometimes the only key to control in the classroom, too.
    Kim
     
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    What keeps coming to my mind is a quote I read this summer but can't remember who wrote it - "There is no significant learning without a significant relationship." Maybe either you or your assistant in your spare time (ha!) or at quiet moments can try to form a relationship with her so that she will want to please you and will therefore do her work. It sounds like this basic need is missing in her life.
     
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    That is what our teacher specialist tells us as well. The best thing you can do at the beginning of the year is to really form a bond with your students because that will help you the rest of the year. That doesn't mean the rest of the year won't present challenges but it does help. If this student is not getting much support from home, this may be a basic need. It could very well be that she has other issues but it is too early to tell. Social development is a huge part of Kindergarten.
     
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    I am taking away recess and computer time to have her complete her work. She requires one on one 95% of the time. I have an assistant for about 2 hours a day. I have "recess workers" for those who have to complete work because they dillydallied. She just doesn't get it. Even after being told that she will have to do her work during recess, she'll still ask when we're going outside. I am learning that I have the patience of Job. In fact, I feel like Job most days!!! I had her brother last year and I see him every afternoon. I encourage him to talk to her and tell her to put her listening ears on. Thanks to everyone who responded.
     
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    Have you tried limited choices? I have a boy like that and that seems to work with him most of the time. I give him TWO choices. For example - you can either do the activity with the class now OR you can do it alone with me at recess. You decide. That lets them feel in control, but really you are. Just something that works for me. Good luck!
     

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