Me(to middle son): did anything happen in school today? Middle son: Kind of. (Me, surprised that he ever answers yes): oh, what kind of happened? MS: I was elected to student council. Me: oh, that's great! I didn't even know you were running! MS: yeah Me: So, what position is it? MS: I don't know. Me: uhh, is it president? MS: no Me: vice president? MS: um...maybe? He wasn't joking or being evasive, he actually did not know. Checking the website later, he found it was treasurer.