Spinoff: are people born good or bad?

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  1. TeacherShelly

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    JustMe's value and soul thread made me think - my step-sister and I have a really big difference in our thinking regarding humankind.

    She thinks everyone is born bad and needs strong parenting and religion to learn to be good.

    I think everyone is born good and gets hurt by feeling disconnected and unloved and find ways to cope with that horror - resulting in some really bad stuff.

    What do you think?
     
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    I think some people are born good and some are born bad, but that the great majority fall into the former category. I really can't imagine thinking everyone is born bad. My religious upbringing said we were all born bad, essentially. That is one reason I no longer associate with that religion as I don't believe it and have issues with it being taught.

    Not all "bad" people were born that (as you said, many find themselves there after various unfortunate circumstances), but some are genetically wired incorrectly.
     
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    Hi, JustMe! I can always count on you joining in the conversation (thank you!!!!). My first religion also taught that we were born bad. I remember being 8 when my grandma told me I was "no spring chicken" and had plenty of time to do rotten things and sin against G-d. That sucked.

    I have never believed someone could be born wired incorrectly to be bad. I'll have to think about that one!
     
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    I believe we are all born good.?.unfortunately life can change that. Quickly. For. Some.:(
     
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    I love chatting with you. :)

    I think some mental issues are "instilled" at inception much like physical disabilities. There are some children, for example, who have severe mental issues that were seemingly not brought on by traumatic events and situations. These issues could lead to "bad" behaviors.
     
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    I don't think anyone is predispositioned to be either. I think circumstance, interactions, integrity and morals all play a role. Your choices, consciously or subconsciously, make you good or bad.
    Circumstances can affect people in different ways. My mom did not have a good childhood. She was one of 7 kids. My grandmother favored boys to girls- unabashedly. Her aunt was the one who made sure she was bathed and fed. My grandmother could have cared less about school or grades. My grandfather worked a lot, but tried to make up for my grandmothers treatment. My mother realizes what she could have been if someone had cared enough to hold her accountable or to push her.
    I grew up poor- first in an apartment, then in a (new) trailer. My parents divorced when I was 5 and my dad had us every other weekend for a while, but got married moved out of state for a year. I didn't like the person he became with my stepmom, so I rarely visited after he moved back. However, with my mom, college was never an option. I(we) knew from birth that I(we) WOULD go to college. She could not financially help us. My sister and I both put ourselves through college. My mom was all over grades- I was grounded for a marking period when I got a C! Success was never an option- she wanted better for us than what she had. She now has a teacher and an RN.
    I look at people in poverty (or even simply poor living conditions whether emotionally or environmentally) and I do not understand why some parents don't care. Don't they want better for their children?! I just don't get it. It is something that frustrates me to no end.

    Anyway, my point is, things affect people differently. It is a combination of so many things. I think people are pretty much born with a blank slate and decided whether to be 'good' or 'bad'.

    I will note- some people are born with defects, for a lack of a better word. The people that go on to be serial killers and other deeply disturbed individuals. Something within their brain is wrong.
     
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    I think we are all born the same and circumstances, life experiences, etc. trigger genetic proclivities towards being bad. I believe they have several twin adoption studies which have revealed that identical twins adopted out will take on the personality and character traits of their adoptive parents, not biological parents. If this evidence is to be believed, it appears environment is much more influential than genes on whether we are "good" or "bad."
     
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    I think that we are all born with the potential to do good or bad, and a variety of factors impact our behavior, among those being predisposition to mental illness or addiction (genetic,) how we are raised, traumatic life events, poverty, etc. I don't think anyone is born evil, but certainly some are born with certain genetic disorders that may make it more difficult for them to do good.
     
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    I'm LDS. In my faith I believe that everyone is born with what is called the 'Light of Christ.' This is an inherent knowledge of right and wrong. This is why no matter where you are there are inherent values that are pretty much universal: things like murder is wrong. But we don't baptize our children until the age of eight years old so that they have a few years to practice using that innate knowledge of right and wrong.
    In our faith, we believe any child who dies before their eighth birthday gets a free ride into heaven, no questions asked. Because we believe they are totally innocent, and all things that they might do wrong are completely covered in the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
     
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    I don't know much about LDS, but I like this belief. I was raised Catholic, and this makes a lot more sense to me than what I was taught about children and sin in my Catholic school (aka Limbo... not even sure that's the Catholic belief anymore!)
     
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    I wonder why eight. Is it Biblical? The day before turning eight and the day after, I mean...not exactly a big difference. And if an eight year old isn't able to understand yet, what happens? This sort of belief has always interested me.
     
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    I believe we are born with a clean slate and everything depends on exposure, how we're raised, etc.
    Kind of like a blank piece of paper. You can paint / draw or write something beautiful on it, depending on the tools you have and what you're exposed to, or fill it with negative and hateful garbage or even crumble it up, rip it up, etc.
     
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    It's not commonly believed in my neck of the woods. We had a nun recently tell us she doesn't believe in limbo at all.

    I believe everyone has a clean slate when they're born. I believe our circumstances mold us. I believe two people can go through the exact same thing and turn out radically different. The brain and what makes us us truly fascinates me though.
     
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    I choose to believe most people are born good because I think I would go crazy or paranoid otherwise. Like other posters, I do believe some people are born twisted due to brain issues or birth accidents, and that others become bad because of the environment and experiences in their early life. I find it enormously sad when I meet children who I feel are already going "bad "unless something significant happens to them.

    I guess I am more optimistic than my husband who is always thinking something bad might happen and is suspicious of people. I can't run my life that way. so he thinks I am foolish and I think he is paranoid. :dizzy:
     

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