Shortage? What do you think?

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  1. Leaborb192

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    There are shortages in my state (Utah) in various areas and subjects. I just heard of one district that had hundreds of openings and it surprised me because the geographical area was a nice one I thought was fairly popular, but further thought explained that while the area was nice and desirable it was still somewhat out of the way. The other shortages were in the more desolate and remote areas.

    My musings on teacher pay and other perks that would help: I think, once upon a time, the pay was reasonably in check with what teachers did/were expected to do. Look at our expectations now. I would say we are being underpaid for expectations that most reasonable cannot do.

    For example, every parent wants an individualized education for their child. How often are schools getting the right training, philosophies, manpower, whatever, to make that happen?

    People want a complete revamping of the education system but they all want it to happen without changing the status quo.
     
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    I think that the teacher shortage impacts rural disadvantage areas more so than affluent areas or areas with a large population. Rural communities were hit extremely hard during the recession and funding was stripped from almost everything and education was one system that was affected severely. Poor funding, poor people, and state and federal policies in education does not mix. Also many rural communities work on the "good ol boy" system. When there is no funding to hire better teachers, rural school board officials will opt to putting their best friend with no educational training into a teacher position. Being that most of these areas are considered to be absolute poverty, many of the people do not have time or desire to achieve an education for a job because most are trying to make ends meet with hard labor and odd hour jobs. Outsiders do not desire to step foot in rural schools because of pay and work load

    My hometown is a prime example. The Elementary school is in bad shape. This year there are 70 classrooms without teachers and those classes are filled with subs from different counties. economic climate and educational attainment is horrible here because much of the population are poor hard labor factory workers or farm hands. These people are wondering about their next meal and not so much of an education. The city refuses to bring any corporate stores here like Walmart because they are in fear of Walmart and many other corporate stores taking the wealth from mom and pop stores that are controlled by 2 families in the town. It's pathetic because walmart can generate enough wealth into the town to build the failing education system.

    My hometown was voted the most impoverished and uneducated city in Florida. The school board wanted to start a 6 month training for those in the town that would like to become teachers but they weren't offered enough funding.

    The weirdest part about all of this is that we have a small community college that is also partnered with ST Leo University. The college and the university both offer programs for education but the people in the town never have time to go to classes.

    The school is out of teachers so bad that student teachers and subs are operating most of the classrooms.

    Also, ECE is rarely discussed in the teacher shortage discussion. No funding, intensive training, and a classroom over capacity are most of the reasons ECE has a shortage. ECE rarely strives in my hometown. Just as public school ed many people do not have an educational background in ECE to work in preschools. The preschools in my hometown usually go out of business by the 5th or 10th year because of no one being educated in the field, poor pay, state and federal polices, overworked. and stressed.

    So, before we began to talk about teacher shortages, we must first focus on the macro level of events and work our way up to state and federal polices
     
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    It is beyond poor pay! I think that people will be willing to work in education if there weren't as much federal and state policies to abide by. Most of those policies are ridiculous
     
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    I think shortages in rural areas has less to do with the schools and more to do with what happened in the communities which they serve. Long ago when people could get buy on one income and small towns had small businesses that were successful, although not extremely wealthy, people had a community where they could live and have a nice life. Rural America has changed a lot in many areas where there isn't much left of the communities. So, if you need 2 incomes to live on, it isn't going to happen in an area where jobs are few.

    Teacher shortages in these areas are much different than shortages in urban areas.

    We can't look at any one solution to a problem that is really caused by very different issues.
     
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    I agree but rural areas are always left out of the conversation.
     
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    Not always, but I will agree that people like to talk about behavior of students being the problem for shortages because it is easier to point that finger.
     
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    EXACTLY!!!! The breakdown of the education system and student's behavior all starts with the community! Students act out for various reason. Problems at home, neighborhood, mental issues( That goes undiagnosed even when spending years in school)..etc

    A good example to this would be the flint water crisis. I remember watching this short film about the teachers that were questioning student's behavior when they were unaware of the lead issue. The teachers thought that maybe kids today were just hard to teach and often blamed it on them being from impoverished areas. Well, when the lead issue came to light the pieces of the puzzle started coming together. The students were full of lead and could not function! They were failed by their community and government. The kids were victim to environmental hazards.

    Many of the kids in my hometown has mental or behavior issues that hinders them to function in class. The town is poor so officials can not afford school social workers and specialist to help these students in class. Many of the parents speculate that the school officials use the number of students on an IEP for funding because they are unable to get funding elsewhere.
     
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    Could you clarify what you mean by testing pressures?
     
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    Well actually, paying teachers more would work, provided that the amount paid is high enough. They actually did an experiment on this very thing and test scores and/or achievement shot way up:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/education/05charter.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...ter-school-pays-teachers-125000-a-year-2012-4

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/382340/
     
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    I would like to suggest that you take all of your extra education to a state that is truly desperate for Elem. Ed. teachers if that is where you want to teach. Honestly, at one point schools tended to value male elementary teachers, but I have not seen any who have been successful below the MS level in a while. I've seen them spend a year in ES, only to be non-renewed at the end of that year. Grades 6-8, however, are very different. Should universities inform male candidates of this? Probably, but they mostly seem to believe that if you look around, you'll figure it out for yourself.

    I fear that if you choose to stay in NY you may end up very disillusioned. Unfortunately, you are surrounded by states that do, like NY, have a glut of applicants for elementary positions that are advertised. So instead of raging at admin, what is your plan?
     
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    I wouldn’t say always because there are instances where said students are discussed. However, I would agree that rural areas tend to be deemphasized as the majority of the student populace lives in urban settings and the suburbs.
     
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    Many rural school districts are educating the children of migrant farm workers, who have virtually no say in how or what is being taught. Many are ELL's, and there may be no ESL teachers on staff. These parents are not highly motivated to participate in school activities or procedures.
     
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    Why don’t you apply in an area at the district of your choice that has a hard-to-fill position first, just to get your foot in the door? Then, after getting tenure, see if you can find another position using your other certifications?
     
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    In my area there were plenty of jobs this year. I know that some positions were difficult to fill with getting only 2 or 3 applicants. It has to do with retirements mostly.
     
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    I’m curious, what are the positions difficult to fill? ESL? SPED? Math? Foreign language? Else?
     
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    High stakes testing. Many teachers are unwilling to turn over instruction to student teachers when it is the cooperating teacher’s evaluation in play as influenced by test scores.

    Do you administer state standardized tests, future math prof?
     
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    Yes, my school is WASC-accredited and it also administers state-standardized tests. Every year, our students take the Terra Nova tests and STAR tests, in addition to PSAT, SAT, ACT, and AP tests.
     
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    In my district a sub will go on regular pay scale, albeit a low step, after x number of days.
     

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