Position not renewed, should I resign?

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  1. nel85nc

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    Hi, I'm new on this forum and I would like some advice.

    I learned today that my job will not be renewed for the next school year. I am a second year high school Social Studies teacher in North Carolina. The principal gave me the option to resign. Is this better than just letting it go? What about unemployment if I do not find a job once the summer is over?

    This is the first time anything like this has happened to me and I am very worried with the economy and all. They have told me that they will give me a good recommendation though.
     
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  3. Mr D

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    What is the specific reason it is not being renewed? If it is due to something out of your control, such as reductions in force, I don't think you should resign.
     
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    I agree with Mr D - if you are being RIF I don't think you should resign. But if your principal is giving you the option to resign because you are being let go for some reason relating to your teaching, then I would resign.

    I think we need alittle more information before we can really give you the correct advice
     
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    You should be eligible for unemployment, but there are several things to consider...


    1 - If you resign it will complicate your unemployment application at best. It is more than likely to from cause you to not be eligible for unemployment benefits.

    2 - Have you asked the principle what kind of reference he/she will give you? Not rehired or resigned, another school system is going to want to know why and is almost certain to call to find out.
     
  6. txmomteacher2

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    Last year I was told I was not going to be renewed. I was told by someone that I trust completely to resign. That way you can just say I resigned. I am rehirable by the district? Actually yes I am, in fact I have been encouraged to reapply. Which I have. I probably won't get rehired until the principal that I had issues with is long gone but I am in still good standing with the district. In fact I still sub for it.
     
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    If your position is not being renewed for budget or scheduling reasons, there is absolutely no reason for you to resign. You aren't being "fired" you are being laid off. It's not going to look bad on an application, and you probably can't get unemployment if you resign.

    Now if they are just not rehiring YOU for some reason, then you might want to resign. Do you have a union person or someone else you trust at your job to ask?
     
  8. nel85nc

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    They gave various reasons including that I wasn't a fit in their school. Other things went into it. I was in a "special" program last year (my first year), that everyone in the school practically hated. It seemed like there was a stigma against me because I was hired in that program, but when it fell through, only four of the teachers were renewed out of six (two of those four were tenured teachers). Classroom management was also an issue, but compared to last year, it seemed so much better (no students walking out of class, fighting, major drug busts, cursing like they had the right to curse, etc). They also said that I didn't tap into my resources (mentor and assistant principal) enough. Part of that was because there was so much distrust from this failed program I was in. Frankly though, in NC, because I am only a second year teacher, they really don't have to give me a reason.

    The principal told me that he would let other schools know that I have potential, but I wasn't the right fit at that particular school. They also suggested that I try to get middle school certification because they see me as a better fit there.

    Trust me, I know teachers who slack off and get away with it, and that wasn't how I was this year. I tried my best.

    Also, no unions in NC.
     
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    I would talk to him about how to resign so it puts the least turmoil on both you and the school. Perhaps you can give a letter of resignation but still work through the end of the year. This means he doesn't have to replace you and you still get your paycheck.

    Classroom management is THE issue for everyone. If you struggle with that, nothing works. As you mentioned, you greatly improved and your principle is willing to tell others that you have potential. That is a big positive be honest in future interviews and highlight how much you've grown in this aspect, but also recognize that you need to improve further.

    On the aspect of unemployment, you MIGHT still qualify even with the resignation. If you are in a position of "I was told to resign or be fired", the unemployment offices treat the situation just like they would you being fired. They evaluate how reasonable your dismissal was and ask if you were fired for reasonable cause. (If you are fired for cause, you don't qualify for unemployment.) I think you have a strong case for saying how much your performance improved and how you expressed a willingness to do more. If the school doesn't provide evidence of it's claim that you were dismissed for cause, you win and get your unemployment.
     
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    Be careful. Check with your state's unemployment office as to whether you will be eligible for money if you resign. In Texas, unless the resignation is due to a very limited list, one is not eligible for unemployment. I'd see if I could get a better recommendation than one that says I have "potential." That definitely doesn't sound positive after two years, especially if one says you weren't a good fit. Those are all red flags to potential employers. Would he/she be willing to say that your program was eliminated or phased out? I'd have a very candid talk with the boss on this matter. You can't leave out 2 years of experience, but need a better recommendation.
     
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    Personally, I wouldn't resign. If you don't get hired someplace else, you won't be able to get unemployment if you resign.

    Whether you resign or get non-renewed, you are still going to have to explain why you left. Hiring districts aren't dense -- if they see you resigned after 2 years but are still looking for a job, they will know you resigned so you didn't get non-renewed.

    It is a tough road -- but not impossible. Stay as positive as possible.

    Best of luck...
     
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    Well, since the recession technically began in Dec., 2007, whether you are let go OR resign, you have a good reason to tell your future employers on interviews as to why you're not working there anymore.

    I was given the option to resign for the 2006-07 school yr, which I did. I always wondered what I'd say when asked why I only worked a year. Now, I can say the recession is the reason...whether it was the real reason or not. (BTW, I've been getting unemployment since Sept '08).
     
  13. nel85nc

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    Thanks for all the advice. I'm still not sure what I would do yet. My mentor has advised me to resign because it looks better for future employers. I'm leaving on good terms with the school. I'll work through the end of the school year and if I resign, it'll only be official at the end of the school year. I'm still pretty confused because this is still really fresh on my mind. More advice would be helpful.

    Also, my principal made it sound like not being a fit for the school wasn't a terrible thing. So who knows. Maybe he was just trying to make me feel better.

    On a proactive note, I am going to a job fair today. Hopefully I will get positive results.
     
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    I think I would personally be non-renewed if I you. Most applications ask you if you have ever been non-renewed or forced to resign from a teaching position, so you would have to answer "yes" to that question. Also, if you can't find a job for next year then you would still be able to collect unemployment. Good luck with your decision and at the job fair today!
     
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    Even if you are "forced" to resign you can still say no to both questions when you fill out applications if you resign on your own. I personally think it looks better if you do resign. When you go into an interview you can say whatever you like for a reason why you left.
     
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    I think they are giving me the option to resign, not forced to necessarily. It's so confusing right now. Thanks for the support though!

    Well, I have the job fair today and then rushing to my boyfriend's military ball so at least I can keep my mind off of all this for a little while.
     
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    Can you ask your principal for clarification about what to tell future employers? Let him know you're concerned about unemployment and would rather put that you were let go. What is the primary reason they're letting you go? If you indicate that you were let go because of position cuts, will you be lying? What will he say when prospective employers call? If he's going to tell them that the primary reason was mostly because 2 positions had to be riffed then it seems you'd be safe. If you put that on our application and then he states his main reason as being not fit for the school, then you're in trouble. I think I just talked in circles... Hope that makes sense.
     
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    Well, I'm going to be honest. I'll tell them that I know I can be a great teacher one day, but I didn't think I fit in at that particular high school (and I really didn't). The job fair I'm going to is in the county I graduated from, so I am more familiar with it and I think I'd be a better fit there (now if only they had a position for me!).

    It kind of makes me regret going into Social Studies because the jobs are so competitive. My principal suggested I try middle school and add on an English concentration. I really do think that is a good idea. I'm going to try to talk to five high schools and four middle schools today. Wish me luck!
     
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    I posted previously. What a coincidence! I was told in Feb 2007 by my principal that I'm not a good fit for their school. To me, that's a very broad reason that can mean ANYTHING. I stayed till the end (June 2007). The great thing that happened though was in April, I was picked to be a juror & the case ended up lasting 2 mos, while I got my full teacher's slaray of course. When it was over & I went back to work, there were only several days left of school & I was free to enjoy my summer! Perfect timing if you ask me!
     
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    I understand why you are hesitating. You don't want to make the school mad if you don't resign because they might not give you a good referencel. I wonder if you could ask the principal for a letter of reference. This way you know for sure what he is going to say. Another thing I would do is ask him what happens if you resign regarding unemployment. The district may not want you to file for unemployment and that may be why he is asking you to resign. Since they are not riffing you, are they going to fill your position?
     
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    Wow Arky...You hit a LOT of great points.

    Definitely get a letter of recomendation from your principal if you can.

    The district does NOT want you to draw unemployment on them as that costs them money in increased unemployment insurance premiums. However, I would not ask the principal what the options are as he is biased and may or may not know. Call up your local unemployment office and ask them instead.

    Whether or not they fill the position is a good thing to know. If you're cut from a position that doesn't get refilled, it adds to your argument for unemployment and is something you can mention in an interview. "I was not rehired, but they didn't hire a replacement either." You don't need to say anything beyond that.
     

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