PBIS positives? Negatives?

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  1. Pi-R-Squared

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    This view of PBIS that it has no consequences for problem behavior is a sign of PBIS done poorly and incompletely. There are positive incentives involved, but it should never be an absence of logical and consistent consequences for bad behavior. I’m in charge of setting up PBIS at my school right now and one of the things we just did was a survey I got from one of my master’s classes. 4 pages of the survey are dedicated to varying degrees of problem behaviors and consequences teachers most often use for those problems. There are 2 pages about expectations and 2 pages about incentives/rewards that students may be motivated by.

    There is a lot of research around PBIS that shows that it can work WHEN DONE RIGHT. It’s not meant to be only rewards with no discipline; that’s just what happens when schools don’t take the time to set it up correctly.
     
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    And all of the staff and administration do it correctly. A few who are against it can derail the entire program.
     
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    We are a PBIS school, and there are most definitely consequences. The biggest push back is from those who feel the first line of defense is to send kids to the office. However, most things can be handled without that. (And serious behavior still get kids sent to the office.)

    Poorly implemented programs are the worst. Just about every program I’ve seen fail has been due to poor implementation and follow through.
     
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    Well, it's obviously not working in that district.

    I conceded that when PBIS is done right, I'm sure it works great.

    But those who decide to implement PBIS need to take responsibility for doing it right.
     
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    I think it all depends on the kids and their backgrounds/home life.
     
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    I'm not so sure of that, Yuriko. My student population is one that is dealing with high poverty and often comes to school with some measure of trauma. However, we have found that PBIS works well, specifically because so many of our students are starving for something positive.

    To quote one of my favorite movies from my teen years, "I think all you need is a small taste of success, and you will find it suits you."

    The same thing goes for implementing PBIS properly. Once you know how to implement it so it works for your student population, go in that direction rather than following what you think MIGHT be the rules.
     
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    That's what I meant. Some kids respond well to positive praise, but some don't. Just depends on the kids and their backgrounds. You have to have to know the kids and find the right balance.
     
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    I daresay PBIS gets judged for some of its methods rather than the philosophy. From what I understand, prizes aren't integral to the method. Prizes may simply be one way of recognizing good behavior, and yet too often the prizes are seen and judged, rather than their purpose.
     
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    I teach elementary special education. I think it's all about the implementation. The concept is Fabulous. The Boys Town model can be terrific to follow. The implementation depends on site leadership. I was all for PBIS when it rolled out for us. I was on my site's original team- we were a strong team with great drive. Then it fell into the hands of another administrator and an often-clueless counselor. Meetings went nowhere. The concept of teaching a new, more effective replacement behavior vanished and real-life consequences fell apart. I'm at an elementary school and the Tier 3 and some of the Tier 2 kids have no respect for administration as a result of this current debacle. I work with Tier 3 kids and I pair with other teachers to implement support and consequences- when our current PBIS team steps in- they muddle it up. We are actively going out of our way to not inform and not include the PBIS team when we are doing interventions with kids now.

    What is painful is that I think all our kids, even our Tier 3 kids, WANT to do well and WANT to help others. They want to feel hope and accomplishment. There are so many ways to effectively roll this out and maintain it. We had a great start about four years ago, but with staff and leadership changes, it's a hot mess now.
     
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    Ugh, that's TERRIBLE. We have had the same two people leading our PBIS campaign since August, and they're constantly checking to see what works and what stalls. Is there a way to wrestle back leadership of your PBIS leadership?
     

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