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  1. 2ndTimeAround

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    We are not in the customer service industry. The sooner WE start believing that, the sooner the public starts understanding it. Maybe, MAYBE, private school teachers are a bit, but even they should move away from that train of thought.

    We need to realize we are more like doctors. And not all doctors - doctors in public clinics or public hospitals. We do not have to sell ourselves in order to get people to use our services. We will have "customers" so we don't have to worry about advertising. Instead, we need to worry about giving our students/patients/customers the best care we can. Our students' parents do NOT know what is best for them academically (or the class as a whole) and they do not get to make the classroom decisions.

    My job is not to make anyone happy. My job is to make sure Johnny is presented with the material that can make him successful. In a manner that he can access it. I'm not even responsible for his learning. He is. If people are happy while we're doing this, great. If they aren't, then that is a lesson in itself.
     
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    Maybe it depends on the school (location) you're in. We were in constant competition with other public schools just a stone's throw away AND charter schools, of course, because Arizona lives by them! They're like Starbucks: EVERYWHERE! So we pretty much were in the customer service industry; if parents weren't happy, they'd take their kids elsewhere. And we were already competing for limited resources as students = $. And that's not true either about advertising, in fact, my second year... one of the first activities we had to do during our before school meetings was to go around in the competing school districts and put up ads for our school on everyone's door as a way to lure their children into our district. I felt so scummy doing it :(. I agree that if we just do a good job, we'll keep them coming, but the district didn't see it that way.
     
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    That's actually insane.
     
  4. Tyler B.

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    I'm with you up to this point. If Johnny doesn't learn, we need fix that. It's on us. Children are too young to consent to failure.
     
  5. Backroads

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    I agree to a point and disagree to a point. It's our job (as part of a team) to help find out why Johnny struggles with learning and how to fix that.

    At the same time, Johnny can't be told he doesn't matter in the learning process.

    If Johnny isn't studying, it's not my fault.
     
  6. Backroads

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    I had a ephiphany on this. Since I hadn't heard issues concerning my homework, I was perplexed.

    Last week, Kiddo was checked out just as we were starting a math practice page post-lesson. I let Kiddo take the page with her... never to be seen again.

    I now think that page may be the troublesome "homework".
     
  7. futuremathsprof

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    I disagree that teachers are like doctors. We don’t have anywhere near the amount of schooling, training, or responsibilities that doctors have. I have several friends who are doctors and they all have a minimum of 8 years of school followed by a 3- to 7-year residency and then some go to do a 3-year fellowship after that. Not only that, but doctors have to purchase malpractice insurance and can be sued for just about everything.
     
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    I don’t think the responder was referring to a disabled student. I think they just meant the mother thought her son was special as in unique or advanced. I am just speculating, though.
     
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    That's the impression I got.
     
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  10. Caesar753

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    No. "Unique" students are not necessarily gifted and talented as defined in an educational setting. Even "advanced" students are not necessarily gifted and talented.

    Appropriate language is important, but it's equally important not to be misleading in our choice of words by assigning very specific labels to students who don't meet the criteria for them.
     
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    Then you're being overly sensitive. I never once said that the child was in the special education program. Which he wasn't.
     
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    That's not what I meant. Not the level of education we have, but instead the fact that our students are going to come to us, we do not have to seek them out. And that we are going to "treat" our students as we see fit, not how their parents are going to request.
     
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    Oh my goodness. If you're going to take offense and correct other teachers, at least use people-first language. E.g. a student with special needs
     
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    I thought you were supposed to be the fun teacher!!!!! PC is not fun :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:o_O
     
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    Which means don't respond if you don't comprehend.
     
  16. Backroads

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    Yet you decided to stick your own interpretation on the post.
     
  17. futuremathsprof

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    This made me laugh, lol!
     
  18. Backroads

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    Meeting over.

    It went... awesomely. My principal was amazing, and it really was just a worried mom who is now coming in to volunteer and help.
     
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    I'm glad to hear it. I think it can be easy to get worked up about stuff like this, but it's probably better to assume good intentions on the part of the parent. Parents don't always know how school works, and sometimes their expectations and how they think they should go about fixing a perceived problem may not be entirely correct. If we as teachers can keep a level head and really listen to the parent, there's often a solution somewhere in there that everyone can be happy with.
     
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    I so agree. The real key to working with others is trying to find out what someone really means, not necessarily what they are saying.
     
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