Move to Arizona

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  1. Backroads

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    Apr 16, 2018 at 2:54 PM

    Like all those lazy, money-hungry doctors and lawyers and engineers who only go into their careers for the money.

    (To note, all the doctors/lawyers my age I know are dirt poor living in tiny apartments trying to pay off student loans).
     
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    Apr 16, 2018 at 3:33 PM

    I’m merely speculating, but could they be primary care physicians/pediatricians/public defenders, because all of the medical doctors/lawyers I know make 200k-300k, on average. The aforementioned doctors/lawyers might have what I call “lifestyle creep.” This means that they have been living like a college student so long that they started living lavishly the moment they made a decent salary and now live outside their means. Hence, they struggle month to month to make ends meet.
     
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    Apr 16, 2018 at 3:47 PM

    How is the cost of living in AZ? Those salaries looked like rural Ohio salaries, to be honest.

    I've never had a union in Ohio, I've worked for ESCs or Head Start, as a teacher, and have always been at the tender mercies of my admin. So, that's not a deal breaker.

    Really, the only reason I'm looking is because my folks are talking about retiring out there in a few years, and my sister is thinking about making the move too. No way am I staying in Snow-hio alone. :D
     
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  4. YoungTeacherGuy

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    Apr 16, 2018 at 4:00 PM

    My cousin bought his house about 3-4 years ago, I believe, and paid over 300k. It's a modest house, in my opinion. If he would've gotten something in a more upscale neighborhood, he would've paid a lot more (I think he regrets purchasing in the area where he bought his home).

    I don't know about other areas of AZ, but I know that Phoenix is pretty comparable to my area of CA in terms of cost of living.
     
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    Apr 16, 2018 at 4:18 PM

    Oh, they make plenty of money as far as I have been made aware. But they include a lot of very self-sufficient-type people who make paying off student a debt a huge priority. So, yeah, they live in tiny apartments for a while until they have a more reasonable amount left. It's not really life-style creep, just "holy moly, I owe somebody a lot of money and I'm give them most of my paycheck to get that out of the way".
     
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    Apr 16, 2018 at 4:46 PM

    Understood. I agree with their plans and did something similar when I graduated back in June 2014 as an undergrad. I lived minimally until all of my student loans were paid off. It sucked because even though I only made $3,000 a month after taxes I still threw $1,800 at my loans every month. I had to force myself not to buy things and to do fun stuff — the end result was more important. For example, if I saw a nice pair of shoes I wanted or something else I wanted really badly I would immediately log on to my loan provider on my phone and make another payment. This prevented me from buying it as the money was no longer there to tempt me.

    It was depressing because I didn’t get to do a whole lot for 10 months besides working, eating, and sleeping, but I was elated every time I saw my principal drop rapidly. I did this because I wanted to see zeros so badly, and so much so that when I finally submitted that last payment I danced around the room and whooped loudly. Then, I bought that pair of shoes I really wanted next pay period! ;)

    I now make a lot more than I did then, and so I treat myself at least a few times a month to something nice, but only after overpaying my bills. And speaking of paying bills, I just tallied up all of the debts I’ve paid off since June 2014, and it amounts to a little over $70,000. And this is in just a little less than 4 years! Now I owe just $6,800 on my car and once that’s done I’m free!!! $3,000 this month alone already for just my car. Curses! I could have gone on vacation over Spring Break with that, but NO, I had responsibilities.
     
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    Apr 16, 2018 at 5:16 PM

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    Apr 16, 2018 at 5:24 PM

    Holy cow! They have a ton of openings.
     
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    Apr 16, 2018 at 5:26 PM

    Always! And that's pretty much what it's like all the time. They'll hire a boat load of teachers and that many will resign by the end of the next year. It's pretty much how Arizona runs.
     
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    Apr 16, 2018 at 7:54 PM

    That’s sad that they can’t retain teachers. That says something about the educational system there. :eek:
     
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    Apr 17, 2018 at 10:17 AM

    Oatman is very nice. Kingman not so much.
     
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    Apr 17, 2018 at 7:26 PM

    Hence #redfored
    I was just browsing the district's board minutes and decided to screen shot the salaries of some teachers they just hired. It's quite pitiful.
    Look at the salaries based on one year of experience up to six years. I could make way more $ as a starting teacher in NY than this. $34,800 isn't terrible if you're a SINGLE first year teacher, with not many obligations (i.e. crushed by student loan debt,) but after six years, I'd be kind of annoyed if I only made $36,888.
    It's interesting to note that you DO get paid more for the graduate work that you have so it pays to further your education. But this is just a sample of why AZ has a teaching shortage and giving them additional pennies isn't really going to do much for them.

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