Middle and HS subbing

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  1. Fran723

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    Hello, some of the comments on this board have got me thinking. I've always figured the best bet for me would be to sub lower grades K-2 since there was the least liklihood of running into problems. All of my teaching experience has been with this age group. I'm really tiny too and I thought the bigger kids would never be intimidated by me in the least. But so many have expressed pretty positive things about subbing the upper grades. Those of you that have subbed HS and Middle school, can you share some of your experiences with me? Pros and cons. What a typical day subbing HS is like and what kinds of problems you run into. I always had this image in my mind that if I subbed HS, I would be dealing with bad attitudes and breaking up fights all day. Are you supposed to teach lessons the teacher left or do your own thing etc.. Any ino would be great as I plan to sub in the Fall but not sure if I should limit the grades. Thanks!!
     
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  3. Terrence

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    I have no experience with high school, but middle school isn't bad if you lay down your rules and are firm. The teacher (long-term sub) next door to me is small, but has a big tough voice. She has her kids in check! I unfortunately didn't start out the way I should have started- firm, making sure they know what's expected of them, etc. and now I'm paying the consequences because they are out of control and won't listen to a word I say. I'm long-term subbing in a middle school right now. I think that for the most part, some kids will have their attitudes, but most kids are good. But I would say try it out at least once, if you don't like it, don't do it again.
     
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    I agree with Terrence. Of course, I'm not slight of build or voice...but even that doesn't always work if you don't lay down the ground rules at the beginning. Just make it clear that you have your rules, what they are, and expect the students to stick to them. In my experience, as long as you start with some expectation of control and order, you will be better off...

    Of course, if all else fails, the nice thing about middle/high school is that the periods only last 45-60 minutes...little consolation if you lost control five minutes in...

    I highly recommend trying it and then you can see for yourself. I've had both good and bad experiences, but by far the good experiences have outweighed the bad.
     
  5. teresaglass

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    High School is easier than middle school. You simply hand out the assignments. 9th grade is like middle school so you hsave to lay down the law. Show confidence and that you mean business and most of the time students will not give you a hard time. follow the teacher's lesson plans. You might want to get Subsititiitutue Survival Guide Grades 6-12 by Jossy-Bass Publishing. It will give you gfreat lesson plans and tips for subbing with this age group. You might want to buy some sub preparation books for the younger grades. They always come in handy.
    Sincerely,
    Terry G.
     
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    Also, for what it's worth, there are some GREAT districts on LI looking for permanent subs. Check the websites, and only apply to those that have those great reps.
     
  7. shadowrose45

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    HI

    Always have your expectations clear when they come into the class. When THEY get loud, you get softer.

    I almost always sub in high school, and I love it.

    I start by telling them a little about myself- for instance, I tell them that I taught in a juvenile detention facility, so teaching isn't 'new' to me, and that I'm working on my Masters.

    I always dress very well, too. While a regular teacher can get by with being dressed casually, a sub really can't, as there is no history to build on.

    Classroom management is the key with high school kids, most certainly.
     
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    I've subbed for middle school about a dozen times or so, I'm mostly subbed in elementary. But I hated subbing in middle school.
     
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    Hi Fran- I see you've applied to sub. Good. It's a personal choice. HS'ers are more mature than middle school. You will not spend your day breaking up fights, but you can't let any kid know you are unsure of yourself. I would think that the teachers would leave plans as any other teacher would.
     
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    i am looking to sub this fall too,i am scared of high school myself.my problem is i know a whole lot of the high schools personally,and i am scared they will not look at me at an authority person,i am thinking of just subbing elementary.
     
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    charliekay: Authority is born from respect. Are you not worthy of their respect? You as a (substitute) teacher is a different person than you normally are. You must "become the uniform", as I've heard a firefighter friend say. When you step into your job, you are your professional self, worthy of respect (and thus an authority figure) because of your position and your professionalism. Play the part, and you should be fine.
     
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    Mrs.Goatess: thank you so much for your words.i hope i am worthy or their respect,i try to be. thanks again.
    it really helped.
     
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    The more and more I read, the more confidence I have. I am looking forward to subing in a middle and high school. I did little teaching in both and loved it. I had a few problems but solved them very quickly. I was given some very good advice once: use your imagination with all the age groups and it seemed to help.
     
  14. MillerJ

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    I think that you just need to be aware of the little tricks they will play on substitutes. Teenagers are very smart as far as throwing you off. Just know that they are going to try and stall you when it is time to get to work, or when you've got homework to hand out 5 minutes before the bell rings. They like to play "dumb", so be prepared to respond to the "I don't knows" and the "our teacher lets us do this, and that." One thing that they will try to do as a stall tactic is to ask you a bunch of personal questions (what kind of car do you drive, do you have a dog, etc). That way you go way off on a tangent and start talking about things other than the lesson/work. Adolescents are very smart!

    Another thing they will do...and this happens all the time...is that one student's hand will go up 5 minutes after the bell rings to go get a drink, or a kleenex, or use the restroom. Then, after you let one go, the rest want to go too. Just be sure to only allow one student at a time to leave the room, for whatever reason. Have a "buddy" escort students to the nurse, counselor's office, etc.

    As long as you are prepared for them, and set the tone immediately, you will do just fine. I'm new to subbing as well, but I saw it all when I observed middle school classrooms for my field experience.

    I suggest doing exactly what the teacher has left for you to do. If there is time leftover bring some worksheets, games to play. If you want to be called again to sub for that teacher/school (and make a very good impression), definately make him/her happy by following what they have left for the lesson.

    Good Luck! I think you will find that the older students are just as interesting and fun as the younger ones!
     
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    thanks so much for your advice.i never even thought about them throwing you off by stalling,thanks again.
     
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    Socal Teacher

    I have subbed for the last several years in elementary. I recently passed the Cset's in Math and will be applying for jobs in HS. This thread as inspired me to sub alittle in hs to get more familiar with that age group. I always thought I wanted to teach HS but never sub for it and to sub elementary but never teach it. I think it might be good experience before I start teaching HS. Does anyone know where some good High schools are in Socal???? North Orange County??????
     
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    Try the Fullerton Union High School District. They have good schools. Terry G.
     
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    Thanks Terry, I am checking that out now.
     
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    I Love HS/MS!!

    In fact, I sub exclusively in Middle and High School. I am in college to teach secondary English, so I figure it is good experience.

    One thing I can say is that there are mostly good days, but there are some not so good days in the mix.

    I learn something new each time I sub. I love walking into another teacher's classroom and seeing what they are doing - I get tons of ideas for my classroom.

    One thing is for sure - you must be FIRM and ALL BUSINESS from the minute you walk into that room - or else it will all go bad, very, very quickly. I have my own set of eight rules that I will posting this year - it makes it easier to let my students know where I stand - there is no room for arguments. I also have my 'discipline policy' printed out too. I use the three strikes method - One is a verbal warning. Two, I write their name down for the teacher, and three, they are sent to the office. It seems that having 'in writing' makes it 'real' to these kids.

    Really, give it a try - it is wonderful. Even though I am a strict sub, the kids walk in and see me, and say, "Yes! The cool one!" It is because I am fair and consistent, and I choose my battles wisely.

    Meg
     
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    I agree with Meg on being strict from the first moment on. I have been teaching elementary as a substitute for sometime now and would like to know if there are any differences in subbing for hs rather than elementary. Meg, what are your eight rules in class??
    How do you post them?? Do you give a list to each student???
    Can you give an example of what battle you would choose and what battle you would let go??? I will be subbing in ms and hs soon and plan to teach secondary. Thanks
     
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    8 Simple Rules

    Here are the rules I use. I have a transparency that I have on the overhead as students walk in and find their seats, and I leave it up while I take attendance. After that, I introduce myself, ask if there are questions about my rules and tell them the plan for the day (assignments, etc.) For classes without transparencies, I have a poster sized copy that I display somehow in the room.

    Here they are!


    You will respect me and your classmates.

    Do not talk when I am talking. Likewise, do not talk when others are talking.

    No swearing or inappropriate language you know what is or is not appropriate; if you are not sure, don’t say it.

    You are to be in your assigned seats at all times unless I give you permission.

    All cell phones, music players and other electronics are to be out of my sight, unless I give permission.

    All class work is to be done individually, unless I say otherwise.

    You will follow the school policy on drinks and chewing gum in the classroom. You are not to eat in the classroom.

    One person is allowed to leave the classroom at a time. You will use my hall pass, and sign in and out using my hall pass log. This log will be left for your teacher.

    I will give you five minutes at the end of class to pack up your things, but the bell does not dismiss class, I do.

    ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

    Strike One: You are given a Verbal Warning.

    Strike Two: Your name is written down.

    Strike Three: You are sent to the office.

    In extreme cases, I reserve the right to send you to the office at any time, without going through all three ‘strikes.’

    ***

    One note - teachers really appreciate the hall pass log - it lets them know exactly who went where and for how long. I have students use my pass because from experience I could not always find the teacher's block of passes, so this is just easier.

    If you have any questions, just let me know!

    Happy Subbing!

    Meg
     

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