# MAD MINUTE ...FEED BACK NEEDED

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1. ### deedeeConnoisseur

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This was posted by another member and he would like some feedback on his ideas.......

I was told by a teacher friend about the original Mad Minute. So I decided to do a little research, and found the original mad minute was in 1983. So I decided to do a bit of tweaking. Here are the rules
The students are split into two teams. Each team receives one sheet of problems. When the teacher says BEGIN, a five minute clock is started...student one on each team begins working on problem one. After that student is done, the sheet is passed down and the procedure repeated. Each team goes 3x around (This may vary depending on class size. I generally get as close to 30 problems on one sheet as possible (ex. if you have 12 students you break it down 12/6 then 6x5= 30 and that works out even...In other words for 12 students number the problems 1-6 and have the students go 5x around.)) No conferring between teammates until the end. If there is time left on the clock, teammates check the answers. If sheets are handed in before the time limit expires, the team cannot take it back to continue to work on it. Most correct answers win.

3. ### czaczaMultitudinous

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OK- I definitely took mad minutes back in the 60's- Maybe not the official mad minute but it seemed like it...

I like the competition idea...I still want each child though to do a complete mad minute to check for fluency...

4. ### Johnny OrgovanRookie

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Well yeh, that's the idea, to promote competition AND teamwork while still learning the math facts. Just to clarify... the Mad Minute itself wasn't my idea...the tweak was.

5. ### czaczaMultitudinous

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I understand your tweak- what I'm saying is I would do this but still have each student complete a Mad Minute (all 30 problems) on his own at least once a week to work on his own fluency with the facts- how many can HE do in a minute? You can be SLOW and not FLUENT with the facts and your team may still win because everyone else is fast or you happened to get the few problems you knew well....In addition I want to know how each student does individually. I like the game feel of your tweak, the competition and team building aspects of it, don't get me wrong. I would definitely do this team mad minute some times but I would still also use the mad minutes in the traditional way as well...

6. ### Johnny OrgovanRookie

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As well you should...this isn't a SUBSTITUTE for the original, just a tweak to be used to combine games and education. What I really wanted out of this thread though, well, since I can't see it in action, I'd like feedback on it from teachers and their students that have used or are using it. It's been seven years since I submitted my tweak to ASKEric and not ONE email or message saying how well it worked or didnt work Please please PLEASE if anyone on here uses it, gimme some feedback!

7. ### Steph-ernieGroupie

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My question for you is this ... what if the first kid to get the paper is really really slow at math? I have a few who could take a full 30 seconds for a basic math fact. The rest of the team is going to be getting antsy while they are sitting there pondering their problem.

8. ### Johnny OrgovanRookie

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They can skip if need be, the whole team is supposed to check all the answers anyhow.

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Aug 25, 2007

Well guys..it's school time again...anyone gonna try my little tweak?

10. ### dreaming_lukeRookie

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Yes, I will give it a try. I will do the regular way through the week, but I will try this on Friday. Mind sharing your rules behind this competition? Have you ever split class into 3 or 4 teams? Seems that with my 30, I'd have two large teams, don't kids get bored waiting for their turn, or through waiting don't they get distracted etc? Anything you regularly have to address?? Thanks!

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The mad minute is supposed to be a way of practicing fluency with the facts. It doesn't do kids a service to time them and build up their stress levels if they don't know the facts already or are not able to figure them out quickly. I think about this especially with the larger multiplication facts. It would take some kids a whole minute to even figure out 6x8, if they were doing the adding method instead of trying to recall a math fact they already memorized.

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My kids would never sit and wait for the rest of the team to do their problems.

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14. ### Johnny OrgovanRookie

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I'll level with ya, guys. I'm NOT a teacher I was talking with another online teacher friend about mad minutes, did some research after that. I found out the first Mad Minute was in the early 1980's and I decided to give a little new update to it. The rules are in my previous post, but in case you guys missed it, here they are again. (You can adapt your rules for a larger classroom, absolutely!!)

An Educator's Reference Desk Lesson Plan

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Submitted by: John Orgovan
Email: jorgovan21@comcast.net
Date: July 4, 2000

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Grade Level(s): 2, 3, 4, 5

Subject(s):

Mathematics/Arithmetic
Duration: 20 minutes
Description: A variant of the twenty year old mad minute. Students learn timed math facts in a team environment. Math problems can be any single operation problem (ex: + - X / (for X and / use #s up to 12 X 12 or 144/12))

Goals: Learn math facts while developing good social skills

Objectives: 1. Students will work in teams to answer math problems and to develop good team work skills.
2. Students will answer math problems to learn math facts.

Materials:

timer
pen
paper
Procedure: The students are split into two teams. Each team receives one sheet of problems. When the teacher says BEGIN, a five minute clock is started...student one on each team begins working on problem one. After that student is done, the sheet is passed down and the procedure repeated. Each team goes 3x around (This may vary depending on class size. I generally get as close to 30 problems on one sheet as possible (ex. if you have 12 students you break it down 12/6 then 6x5= 30 and that works out even...In other words for 12 students number the problems 1-6 and have the students go 5x around.)) No conferring between teammates until the end. If there is time left on the clock, teammates check the answers. If sheets are handed in before the time limit expires, the team cannot take it back to continue to work on it. Most correct answers win.
Assessment: Each team will be required to check the answers they came up with. The team with the most correct answers wins.

There ya go Please please, PLEASE!!! Email me some feedback. I'll never actually get to see it in action so feedback is the next best thing. Thanks all!

Johnny

15. ### smalltowngalMultitudinous

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A teacher did Mad Minutes in her classroom, but she only did it w/ the individual students doing their own problems. This could be very interesting!!

16. ### Johnny OrgovanRookie

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Try it at school and email me some feedback. Did it go smoothly...how did the students take to it, etc etc.

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I think I must have stumbled across your plan somewhere else, lol, because I found that idea searching around online for timed test ideas. I'm doing individual minute drills M-Th and on Fridays we'll be doing games--not the same games each Friday, but the relay was going to be part of it. I'll let you know how it goes.

18. ### Johnny OrgovanRookie

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Do you have my email address? I'd like to get an email or pm regarding the feedback of my MMR. I love tweaking things and I wanna hear about my MMER

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Okay, I did this today, although I changed it a little bit. I took the normal time tests we do (I don't have the actual Mad Minute book; I have a book of minute drills though which is the same overall concept) and instead of handing out one to each child, I gave one to each group. The kids sit in groups of four, with desks all pushed together to form a small table shape, and it was convenient to leave them that way.

So I had 7 groups all competing, but not against each other, really. We started, I allowed five minutes, and all groups had finished in three. So I announced that all 7 teams beat the clock and they all cheered. We then corrected the papers together, and 6 out of 7 teams got every question right. So I said this was great news and I'd allow only 3 minutes next week and see if everyone could still beat the clock. They absolutely loved doing the time test this way--so much more than the individual method. They were much louder while doing it than doing it individually, but they can't do ANYTHING in groups quietly, so it wasn't this particular activity that caused the noise.

All in all it went wonderfully and I plan on doing this every Friday now.

20. ### Johnny OrgovanRookie

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Hey it's only fair. I tweaked the original Mad Minute, you tweaked my idea. But, please please PLEASE share it with your school. I want more feedback. I want this to spread By the way, 3ilil, your grade level is ideal for my idea...not sure how sixthers would take to it.

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