Long Term Substitute Teacher

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  1. DigitalDiva25

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    Long Term Substitute Teacher Question

    Hi guys,

    The principal of where I have applied as a teacher had contacted me and told me that he wants to interview me as a long term substitute teacher for a 3d class. I am a bit wary because I was told that I am not temporarily replacing any teacher as they don't have any teacher teaching 3d right now. Isn't it, in order to hire a substitute teacher, a permanent teacher must have been there first?
     
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    In my district, a long term sub is usually hired for the whole year if a teacher has NOT been hired in time for the school year to start.

    I don't see any benefit to a principal for hiring a long term sub as opposed to a full time teacher, really. Sounds like it's just what he's got to do right now. Do you have any other reason not to trust him?
     
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    Oh okay I feel better now. I was just doubtful at first because "substitute" means putting in place of another. It's just the term that had me questioning that's all. But there should really nothing to worry about because I am working to get my teacher certification so I can become a permanent teacher. :) As of right now I'm working as a 3d graphic artist and I think it would be great to be able to share my knowledge to young artists in the near future, as I know that only a few schools have digital design teachers that actually had experience in the field.
     
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    I will meet up with the principal and assistant principal within a few weeks, what questions should I expect from them? They will probably ask about my philosophy in teaching? Have me talk about my experience in the field? I just want to be completely prepared
     
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    Another question, up to how many months or years can a long term sub teach?
     
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    In our district there's not really a limit to how long someone can substitute. My substitute a few weeks ago has been doing it for five years. As far as individual assignments, I have long-termed for two weeks at a time up to a whole year. I would check with your own district/county, though, as I'm sure it's different everywhere. The biggest difference where I live between a long term sub and a teacher (besides tenure) is the paycheck- as a teacher I get paid a little more, but that first check as a "real teacher" was quite depressing because it got smaller when they spread it out over 12 months and THEN they took out insurance, retirement, union dues, etc. Ugh. :lol:

    Is it possible that the principal hired you as a long term sub because you are not a certified teacher yet?

    I haven't really every been formally interviewed, so I can't really help with that, but I'm sure someone will jump in with some recommendations =) I worked as a long term on a few different assignments in the same school, then the principal just asked me if I'd be interested in a year long assignment. That one turned into another, which turned into a contract when the original teacher resigned after school had started. Never had a real interview. Odd now that I think about it.?

    If I had an interview coming up, though, I imagine I'd get together a portfolio that included some of my academic work/awards, a few samples of lesson plans, any recommendations from prior employers or professors, and my teaching philosophy. I'd expect questions like, "What do you to do differentiate instruction?" "Tell me about your teaching philosophy." "What does your classroom management plan look like?" Also, I'd probably expect questions about my experience and knowledge of the specific area I'd be teaching.
     
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    You're thinking of "long term substitute" as a job title. Try thinking of it instead as a category of teacher. Some states require that a regular substitute have a BA and pass a basic skills test, period, but such a substitute may not take an assignment that lasts longer than 29 days; in contrast, the long-term sub typically has certification, though not necessarily in the specific subject area, and may take pretty much any assignment that isn't permanent.
     
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    Your principal knows you are not certified and wants to interview you for an LTS position? Is there anyway your resume was not clear that you are not yet certified? It seems a bit strange, especially since you are not subbing now, you are working in graphic design.
     
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    Florida has some paths to certification that other states don't, AlwaysAttend. If memory serves, there's one alternative path in which a candidate HAS to have been hired first in order to get the certification.
     
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    Well I already spoke to him on the phone about me not having my Florida teaching certification yet. So that's when he brought up this long term sub position. While I work on getting my certification.

    Queenie, that's interesting how you have a LTS working for five years already. What state do you live in?
     
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    It's definitely cheaper to hire a long term sub than a credentialed, full-time teacher with benefits, etc. As long as you are willing, what's the reason for hiring a real teacher?
     
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    I did my research on long term sub salary, they earn almost as much as regular teachers but just no benefits. Now just a regular sub is a different story, they earn way less. Someone correct me if I'm wrong :)
     
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    (1) Not necessarily an LTS. She's a regular substitute teacher. Long Term here just means a regular substitute teacher teaching the same class longer than a week (I think). You can teach for 2 weeks, 4 months, a year- whatever, and it's referred to as a "long term." If you teach over 133 days consecutively in the same classroom, you gain a year's "experience." I don't think there's a limit to how many long term jobs a sub can do here.

    (2) Usually the state of confusion :dizzy: lol
     
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    I have heard of districts hiring long term subs for the ENTIRE school year instead of hiring teachers.
     
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    Yep. That's what I was talking about, too.
     
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    Hey guys, the principal who will interview me told me that there was a 3d teacher last year here before. Would it be a bit too much if I ask him what happened to the old previous teacher that used to work there?
     
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    I wouldn't ask him. That's history that really has nothing to do with you and he may consider it prying.

    I am in agreement with the others that he has to hire you as a sub because you don't have certification.
     
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    It happens here all the time. It's usually because someone doesn't have the right license/certification or is doing some sort of alternative licensure program. It could also be because we don't get any fully credentialed applicants, which happens a lot in math. I don't think we'd ever hire a LTS over a fully credentialed applicant.
     
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    It happens here most often when a contracted vacancy is not filled by the time teachers go back to work in August. My first year teaching, I was in a long term position when a teacher was contracted for my position (in early October), but I got to stay the rest of the year because administration at her school wouldn't let her out of her contract for that school year. It was touch-and-go for a while, though! It seems that some places must have subs and long-term subs?? Here there are just subs- the position is referred to as "long term" if it's over a week in the same class, I think. But subs here ARE fully credentialed. They just have to get in enough time in the county to eventually get a position since contracted positions are filled according (mainly) to years of service. If applicants have the same amount of experience (years teaching), then it comes down to other things like evaluations, certification areas, etc.
     

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