Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

Discussion in 'General Education' started by Leaborb192, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. AlwaysAttend

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    She was just giving you the same treatment she gives everyone. Do not apply for positions you are not qualified for. They will see your resume so often they'll dismiss it when a job comes up you are qualified for.
     
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    Keep in mind, you just interviewed for a job you weren't qualified for and they didn't hire you because of it. You did waste their time whether you realize it or not.
     
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    How exactly did you show mastery? Was it a district people wanted to work in? How long ago are we talking?
     
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    I love what you want to do, but as someone who has pulled resumes to interview people, your application screams 2 things to me. 1. You are going to ditch me when you find that creative outlet you described. 2. You are going to start running when you should be walking and I'm going to be constantly checking to make sure you don't fall. Try narrowing the scope of your passion to how your experiences will lead to improved confidence, character, and academic performance which I think are true and would grab my attention. Make sure its connected to actual experiences with children or young adults.
     
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    That was in AZ and the only reason he couldn't hire me (even though he wanted to,) after checking with HR was because "The position is title 1 funded and the law requires that I be certified.'' I'm in a Reading Specialist program and I plan on graduating in May 2018, I think that piqued his interest. He asked if there was any way I could speed up the process and sadly there wasn't.

    And I think you don't seem to understand how desperate some of these schools are to fill positions. Schools WILL "waste their time" interviewing candidates that seem like they could do a good job because they know if they can't get anyone qualified, then they will have to resort to subs, which like I said may or may not be qualified or competent to do the job.
    I think those of us in certain areas seem to understand this better than others, but truthfully I'm not here to convince YOU of anything. The OP asked a question and I simply responded by saying apply outside your cert area because you never know what may happen.
    I look at it from the POV that if they KNOW I don't have the right cert and still interview me anyway... even knowing that they can't hire me... it's THEIR fault if their time is wasted. Why bother granting an interview at all? Unless they NEED people!

    But if you don't understand that, you really can't speak to it.
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    I love how based on your questioning you show/ it seems that you don't believe the poster or the fact that Districts *DO* hire in this way.
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    I think you need to get out more and see other parts of the country. You should visit schools where LTS are serving in the classroom with NO experience AT ALL. If I'm a District and I can get somebody who is certified in ELA & SS and he needs to teach science, just based on his background I would say he's intelligent enough to prepare and make sure he knows the content well to teach it. And if I call him in an for an interview and he comes prepared to show me how dedicated he would be even though he's not a content expert, I'd be OK with it. Even if he doesn't have a strong background in the content area, he could pick it up fast and be one step ahead of the kids.It's easier to fill an elementary position with somebody, but it's harder in the secondary content areas. But in that case, depending on where you are, you take who you can get- - if anybody!
     
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    And that maybe the case... but worst case situation is that I get a rejection letter that says "Thank you for applying,'' and it's not like I haven't been getting a lot of those recently for gigs I *AM* qualified for.
    And I think I'll let the districts decide what to do about my resume, thank you.
     
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    You can say anything you like. I've been offered 5 professional teaching posistions, all in K-8 schools, 3 of which I've accepted, and always steps up in responsibility and bumps in pay. I live in NJ where you could trip over elementary certified teachers as you walk down the street.

    I started with no connections at all and am the first person in my family to work in education.

    Probably all SPED/ESL/Reading Specialist type jobs recieve some sort of federal funding. SPED/ESL most districts would probably let someone without a cert get an alternate route cert and start. You'd then have to attend grad school in order to make the cert current. Personally I think that's as much a disservice to the students as hiring a sub, but obviously I can't advocate for every student in the country. If it was a school I worked in or had a child in, I certainly would.

    Any admins who would hire uncertified teachers is also going to cut other corners you don't want to be a part of. Kids not recieving services for example. You'd probably be part of that and named in the furure lawsuit.
     
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    And that's great for you, but it's not everyone's experience.
    I'll even agree and say if the District is doing shady things, it's not the BEST, but if it's all you can get...
     
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    Become a sub in 2-3 good districts, show your value as an educator. If you are passed over for 2 LTS jobs in one of those districts, stop subbing there because it's not happening. Also, focus on getting your foot in the door with an LTS position. If money is an issue beyond that get a 2nd job. You'll be much better off in the short and long-term.
     
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    It's very true! And I actually gave that EXACT advice to my friend who had a LTS position for the year and wasn't hired for ANY (and there were a lot) of the gigs that they had posted. She kept interviewing and getting passed over. At this point where I am now I don't even know if I will stay here past May when I graduate.
    But I'm just saying if there's a district you really want (for some reason,) apply for ANY positions --if you think you could teach them-- because you never know what will happen. It's not the best idea, but it could work.
     
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    I think it is important to be aware of how we are approaching applying and the message it can send. That being said, I think this is very regional.

    In Canada teaching jobs are incredibly competitive. When asked, I still tell teachers to apply for positions outside of their subject area. I say, it is your responsibility to put your best foot forward and it is the District's responsibility to determine if you are qualified. I tell them this because our hiring processes are very regulated and there are situations where there has not been a qualified applicant. The hiring processes are very specific and, unfortunately, in those situations if Teacher A didn't apply because they weren't qualified in the subject and Teacher B did apply (even though they were not qualified), Teacher B gets it, even if the hiring team would have preferred to hire Teacher A.
    So I think the key is knowing the context of your area.
     
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    If a listing says no calls or emails about the job, would you call or email?
     
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    LTS the year before in science was enough for the ROE to hire me. So 3 months LTS was enough for the alternative school to hire me, and I'm in my second year as the science teacher. Is it a "destination job"? Probably not, but they were willing to take a chance and it's my job to repay their confidence in spades.

    As many have stated here, the best experience in teaching is your own classroom, and sometimes, it's a circuitous route to get it. I would much rather be in the classroom I'm in now than still subbing...and most people would probably agree.
     
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    Except the students parents if they knew you weren't qualified.
     
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    So far I have not been apprised of any complaints since I've been a FT teacher...

    I have ELA and SS from 6-12, but the school wants me to teach science. So that's what I do.
     
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    I could be wrong, but I believe in NJ, if a teacher is not certified to teach what they are teaching in a public school, they need to send out written notice. I might be wrong on that though. Perhaps one of the longer tenured teachers in NJ know for sure.
     
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    Illinois doesn't have that requirement that I know. My interviewer said that my recommendation from the science teacher I covered (at an elite Metro St. Louis district) was enough for him.
     
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    And what do parents say when they find out that the person in front of their child ISN'T even a teacher?! Umm... yeah it's happened. The schools do the best that they can do. If you told all this BS to Arizona's schools "You need to make sure you hire fully qualified teaching applicants,'' they'd probably laugh and say, ''You show them to us and we'll hire them!''
    No one is saying that it's an IDEAL solution for an ELA teacher to teach Science... but if it's that vs. someone who isn't even a teacher... yeah we go back to what I said before.
     

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