Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

Discussion in 'General Education' started by Leaborb192, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. mckbearcat48

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    The good news is that my school survived and will open on time. I made the "finals" a few times on interviews at other schools, but couldn't beat out a RIF teacher for one position and got a rejection letter that the other district was not filling the advertised position. That was an odd letter...."We are impressed with your qualifications and experience (total lie), but the board has recommended to not offer the position to anyone at this time."
     
  2. Leaborb192

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    WOO! I got an interview for a PART TIME teaching gig... I didn't even think those existed up here. Apparently there's only 3 people who will be interviewed... wow! It's kind of late in the summer so I may have a good shot here. It would be experience (and pay) while I finish my program.

    I'm kind of hoping for it, but will go in with no expectations.
    :):thumbs:
     
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    Spencer Van - Etten CSD a school in Downstate NY is looking for LTS Elementary & Spanish teacher. They are seriously desperate; they called me like four or five times and I'm just not available right now. If you are (or know) someone who is Spanish certified (or even just BA in Spanish,) I urge you to check them out. I feel bad if they can't find a Spanish teacher.

    http://www.svecsd.org/
     
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    I thought you got a job back in Arizona. Did it fall through?
     
  5. Leaborb192

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    They did. The ones I wanted and applied for, I couldn't get. Surprisingly (and ironically, given it's AZ) I was rejected for not having the proper certification. I interviewed for a Title 1 Reading Specialist and was told by the P that because of the Federal Funding, he couldn't hire me w/o the Reading cert... which is what I'm studying for now.
     
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    Interesting thread - I needed it. The NYC metro area is highly competitive. As I face September without a teaching job, I struggle with deep discouragement. I'm an energetic, positive, funny, highly articulate, youthful, and stylish midlife woman who has just earned an MAT and $36 thou of debt. As I am also a trainer of professional actors, I am skilled in Shakespearean performance and have published material for student actors. It has been my dream to lead a club of aspiring actors, directors, and writers of color who would perform in their community. I explain that on my applications, how it will build literacy and character. This, my maturity, great references, and a 3.96 GPA should make me an appealing candidate. I will be subbing to pay off loans however I've decided to make lemonade: I'll be auditioning in NYC again, once a week. Having a stimulating and creative "Plan B" is the best way to survive teacher unemployment. BTW, I sub in a district where the teachers tell me that nepotism and cronyism is rampant. In fact, I overheard one teacher say to another, "....and I even got so-and-so a job here." Interestingly, before leaving to start a family, I had taught in this district when I was in my twenties; I was hired because the supervisor knew my sister. Find your constructive and creative balm, fellow educators. It's tough.
     
  7. Leaborb192

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    This is why I created it because you can complain to your friends and family but many just don't "get it" and will tell you to stop. This has been my experience, anyway.
    This is also why I don't take it personally when I don't get selected for a position as I'm sure it went to the bff of somebody already there. It's annoying, but I look at it as if they're not disinterested in me, they just selected somebody they know (not necessarily better.) It's sad, but that's my rationalization.
    This is also why I've started to apply outside my cert area... if they really need an English teacher, for example, and can't get anyone else... at least I'm certified. They're hiring a bunch of unlicensed elementary ed people, but it's easier to get in there and do the job... it's not true of the secondary content areas, you really have to know what you're doing. I took a bunch of lit and writing classes in college so I think I could do fine. I'm also working toward secondary Spanish ed so the classes I'm taking would help in any secondary setting.
    I think that would be my advice at this time: apply outside your cert area! You might be surprised.
    Here's to happy hunting...
     
  8. WordLover

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    Thanks, Leaborb. It is true what someone said, here, about Md. being more open. I've a middle-aged friend who was hired immediately. I've another, a smart and mature young man, who waited six years, then moved Md. and was hired immediately. My advice to people without ties is to move to an amenable state. My husband is the major earner, had been laid off twice in the past year, is fortunate to have his current position; it's not feasible for us to just up and leave - especially with his mother needing help. Those of us who have business smarts might start our own tutoring companies. (I'm all artist and I stink at finances.) I can remember having a "token interview" last summer. The principal's extremely nonchalant deportment and lack of serious questions told me I was just a number to check off. Another school, a private one, had really piqued my interest. I spent an entire weekend planning the demo LP (a researched, unique and fun way of making verse come alive) , buying materials, and prepping. I thought it went well. The students and I related well. Later that week, I sent thank you notes to all interviewers. I did not receive any followup letter. My only gaffe, I think, I was accidentally calling one of them by their first names in front of the students. (We all work with at least a small amount of tension at demos.) That was last spring. I also wish that ageism could be more easily proved.
     
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    It pretty much is proven and practiced openly when a ton of EXPERIENCED teachers apply and are interviewed, and then a bunch of young peppy things get the job and are parading all over the school...
    But I agree about relocating if you can. There *ARE* places where you can walk in and get a teaching job. I got hired before my fingerprints had even cleared, and they simply asked ''Is there anything we need to know?" Some places don't mess around. You need a job, they need teachers and *BAM* you get an offer on the spot.
    Schools who play with you like a cat and mouse drive me crazy. And these are the districts who do all kinds of shifty/ screwy bs. If you're hiring UNCERTIFIED teachers OVER certified teachers and claiming ''well there's a shortage and this is all we had apply,'' it's a LIE! :mad::mad::mad:
     
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    I'm not sure I agree with this. If you do show up for an interview, and they find out you are uncertified for the spot which you applied for, they might be pretty peeved, and it could burn some potential bridges down the road.
     
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    And I think you're wrong for a few reasons. First, it's already happening. Second, most districts require some cert evidence as part of the application process so it's not like you're showing up to the interview and saying Surprise! If they do the check and see you don't have it, but invite you the interview anyway... that's on them. They might be more peeved if you claim to have a cert (or in the process) that you don't have and never plan on getting. But if you're up front, it's up to them. For example: I recently applied to a special ed position and emailed the Super and said, "I'm not certified, but I'm a teacher and figure many districts are hiring uncertified teachers so I'd give it a shot,'' she responded by telling me that she'd forward it to the head of the SPED department. If districts CAN'T find qualified people, they will fill the spots either with people in the process, or just random subs (who may not even be teachers at all,) until they can find who they need. I'd rather have a certified elementary teacher fill an English position at the HS, than some random person who may or may not even be a college graduate (it *DOES* happen!)
    http://www.pressconnects.com/story/...ied-teachers-in-ny-state-classrooms/12070599/

    This article is old, but it's still happening now.
    I would say as long as you're up front about it, there's no problems. If they're willing to interview you despite not having the right credentials, it's because they truly are desperate for SOMEBODY! It's when you lie that's when it becomes the problem. I didn't advocate for that.
     
  12. TrademarkTer

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    I'm sure this happens in some places. I guess I am speaking from my experience that it would not go over well to have someone showing up who is uncertified in my district particularly because the certification requirements are typically shown within the job posting. My district is never really desperate except for sometimes with the chem/physics teachers, but I suppose it would be more common in less desirable areas.
     
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    Of course. But I mean we KNOW what the cert requirements are...obviously if it's a math job, I'm not going to show up with my English cert and say "I'm here to teach.'' But if you ARE in an area where you notice that there are jobs that have been posted a while, and you're unemployed, what do you have to lose?
    If they look and see that you're not certified, but call you in anyway... can you really blame the applicant?
    And I would say if you're a Physics major /teacher, you probably took a fair share of other sciences so it wouldn't be much of a stretch if you had to teach some intro HS Bio courses. If that's all you could do until a Physics gig opened up, go for it!
    But in elementary, the market is FLOODED everywhere! So I'm getting nothing but rejection letters. I just got two the other day, so I'm like, ''Ok. Well I'll apply for these jobs then instead.''
     
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    That's how I got my full-time job. Certified in SS and ELA 6-12 and I'm teaching 6-12 science. It can work, and it can be really effective if you can show enough mastery in a hard to fill position.
     
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    :thumbs:
    A lot of disciplines overlap!
     
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    She was just giving you the same treatment she gives everyone. Do not apply for positions you are not qualified for. They will see your resume so often they'll dismiss it when a job comes up you are qualified for.
     
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    Keep in mind, you just interviewed for a job you weren't qualified for and they didn't hire you because of it. You did waste their time whether you realize it or not.
     
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    How exactly did you show mastery? Was it a district people wanted to work in? How long ago are we talking?
     
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    I love what you want to do, but as someone who has pulled resumes to interview people, your application screams 2 things to me. 1. You are going to ditch me when you find that creative outlet you described. 2. You are going to start running when you should be walking and I'm going to be constantly checking to make sure you don't fall. Try narrowing the scope of your passion to how your experiences will lead to improved confidence, character, and academic performance which I think are true and would grab my attention. Make sure its connected to actual experiences with children or young adults.
     
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    That was in AZ and the only reason he couldn't hire me (even though he wanted to,) after checking with HR was because "The position is title 1 funded and the law requires that I be certified.'' I'm in a Reading Specialist program and I plan on graduating in May 2018, I think that piqued his interest. He asked if there was any way I could speed up the process and sadly there wasn't.

    And I think you don't seem to understand how desperate some of these schools are to fill positions. Schools WILL "waste their time" interviewing candidates that seem like they could do a good job because they know if they can't get anyone qualified, then they will have to resort to subs, which like I said may or may not be qualified or competent to do the job.
    I think those of us in certain areas seem to understand this better than others, but truthfully I'm not here to convince YOU of anything. The OP asked a question and I simply responded by saying apply outside your cert area because you never know what may happen.
    I look at it from the POV that if they KNOW I don't have the right cert and still interview me anyway... even knowing that they can't hire me... it's THEIR fault if their time is wasted. Why bother granting an interview at all? Unless they NEED people!

    But if you don't understand that, you really can't speak to it.
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