Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

Discussion in 'General Education' started by Leaborb192, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. MsAbeja

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    Thanks! The anxiety, uncertainty, and disappointment I felt while researching my local job prospects has left me feeling ever so very thankful and fortunate that things turned out this way. Los Angeles has been overrun by The Great Charter Experiment. I'm sure some are great, but many out here have a terrible reputation.
     
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  2. anon55

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    congrats, what a great feeling!
     
  3. anon55

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    there are some that are straight up scams. I got offered a job at one, and then 2 weeks later they said "oh nevermind, we're hiring a science teacher instead". Like, having a history teacher is optional? Very weird...
     
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  4. Leaborb192

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    I like to use this as my anonymous venting safe place.
    :D
    Ugh as a sub (and probably speaking for others) here is what I want to say: TEACHERS you can't get mad at us if we don't get everything done if your plans are poorly written and the materials aren't obviously laid out for us!

    I subbed in a teacher's room the other day and the plans were so confusing... they were labeled ''Wednesday,'' but were in the ''Tuesday's'' folder, the specials were wrong; for the first hour it said that the TA was supposed to be in teaching the phonics as it's ''easier for her to do it than to write out the procedure...'' she didn't show up until the hour after. I had no idea what I was supposed to do. And the materials online weren't easily accessible. She said go to the folder labeled ''December 13'' (seriously-- it's April) and they should ''be there.'' There was a lot of stuff but I wasn't sure specifically what I was supposed to do? I even asked the TAs in the room and they were clueless. :!?: But hey, she was still on vacation so what did she care? She had just recycled old plans instead of writing out NEW ones! That's not my problem.

    Well... I was in the building the other day and she was like "You were in my room right?" And then proceeded to passive- aggressively explain her ''concerns'' because a lot of stuff didn't get done... as laid out in her plans :roll: I tried to tell her I was so confused and couldn't find the materials, even after asking the TAs, and she said, "It was all in the file." I'm sorry but ''teach phonics'' is not very descriptive. And it took the kids forever to do the writing assignment I did manage to find. But she was like ''phonics didn't get done, the math didn't get done and they missed library.'' It was written to take them but the day was wrong?! What was I supposed to do? She passively aggressively said there must be a ''miscommunication'' and she would have to write a note which to me translates into she doesn't want me back. Fine by me! As a sub it's not my job to have to go searching for ANYTHING! I basically tried to, in the nicest way possible, tell her that she needs to PLAN BETTER!
    :toofunny:

    Seriously, some teachers.

    And I find out that this district really wants to hire their student teacher (the shiny new toy) so bad that she's even interviewing for the reading teacher position even though she's NOT certified or even working towards a certification in literacy. So they'll hire somebody who is NOT qualified for the job! If only the parents knew! She's not even a teacher yet! :mad::mad::mad::banghead::banghead:

    The small town ''who you know'' politics drives me insane!
    But it's OK I'll finish my literacy program and intern next school year so I can get some teaching experiences in NY and updated references, which I think may also be holding me back. I'll hit the ''reset'' button and start over in 2017-18.

     
  5. Daniellya

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    What part of NY are you in?
     
  6. Leaborb192

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    "Upstate," which depending on where you are may mean many things.
    :rofl:
     
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    Oh I have this debate often with coworkers that live in Westchester. I'm like do you travel up the state to get home? Then you live upstate. Lol
     
  8. Leaborb192

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    RAWR! I'm so sick of admin screaming that there's a teacher ''shortage'' when there's people like me (who are licensed and experienced) who are still unemployed! I went to an interview for a reading internship (not even a full time job) for next year where the principal kept noting how ''impressive'' I was and how "I reminded him of himself." (Yeah he blew a lot of smoke :toofunny:)He calls and says "We decided to go with someone who has closer ties to the district... a known commodity.'' But was quick to say ''any district would be lucky to have me.'' WTF? :mad::mad::mad:
    My own district didn't even interview me for ANY of the teaching positions they have for the fall. They hired a current student teacher (who is unlicensed, but they said they'd work with her :roll:) and my classmate who only has TA experience and isn't even associated -- in any way shape or form -- with the district. Totally their prerogative. I'm just bitter. LOL
    I think either one of two things is happening a) I'm either ''over qualified'' and they don't want to even consider paying me and would rather opt for someone fresh out of the gate who is cheaper, inexperienced, and more moldable OR... b) my principal from last year is seriously sh** talking me when they call her. Because everything seems to go well in the interview and then it kind of stops dead after that. Any suggestions on what I can do to get this process popping? Should I scale back my resume and omit some of the teaching experience I have?
    I know they want to find the best ''fit'' but COME ON! It's like I have this dark cloud hanging over me or something... :banghead: I really wish teaching a lesson was part of the process so they could see me knock it out of the park!

    Thanks.
    :)
     
  9. readingrules12

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    I think you are probably getting "silver" and "bronze" medals and finishing in 2nd and 3rd place. There are often more than 1 good candidate for a teaching job. Hang in there and I believe your persistence will pay off. It is still in the first half of May--early in the hiring season.
     
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    Thanks, but I'm getting rejected from jobs in Arizona so now I'm really starting to take it personally. :coldsweat::coldsweat::coldsweat: That's a low gd bar.
    I mean with how desperate they are for teachers... it's getting a little ridiculous.
    :sweat:
     
  11. mckbearcat48

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    I hit a great Catch-22 at a district I subbed at last year. They passed on me because of experience...so I teach this year and they can't afford to pay me the teacher masters scale.
     
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    Well I also think, based on my experiences, that this profession is very paradoxical. On the one hand, we're supposed to accept everybody (all students, blah blah because that's what we ''preach'' in our classes) and then at the same time, they discriminate in their hiring practices if you don't ''fit into'' their little box. So where I am all (like 99.9%) most the elementary teachers are pretty, blonde white women and since many teachers are retiring they are being replaced with YOUNG ones. OK, that's fine. But what does that say about the openness of the administration and staff? Seriously?! I hear them say "oh we need more men in elementary education...'' OK, well if that's true, I'm not seeing it. In the schools that I sub in there's a total of 3 men in ALL of the elementary schools teaching. The rest? You guess it. The pretty sorority girls become administrators and only want to hire their kind. I'm not saying that this i true universally, but it's definitely a reality where I am. I even had a friend ask me about some of the most recent hires and her first question was ''is she pretty?'' That SHOULDN'T be the hiring criteria!
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    It's not like this at the middle/ hs level, right? Since there's more of a mix? Because I think that's where I may ultimately end up... teaching Spanish. I'll probably be happier there anyway. I just need one more class.
     
  13. SageScience

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    @Leaborb192 how far are you from the city? NYC has a teacher shortage. My friend is the principal of a charter school in Queens and has openings. I don't remember what grade level you're interested in. However, I am sure many of the public schools in the 5 boroughs have openings. I know it's expensive but you could live with room mates.
     
  14. laoshijiejie

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    I have applied for every elementary opening in my district, as well as emailed principals and hand delivered resumes (which is an okay thing in my area, I was advised to do it from other teachers) and have not heard a peep in about a month. There are new job postings all the time. Are principals waiting til school is out next week to do more interviews or are they just not interested? So frustrating.
     
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    Hahah I have the same problem. I have relatives in Westchester and I'm less than 2 hours north of them and they call me an "upstater" and they like to go "to the country" to go apple picking. Um, no...I don't live "in the country"!!!
     
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    Congrats class of 2017... more competition, wonderful! :roll:

    Admin cries that there is a ''teacher shortage...'' well there definitely isn't a job shortage because there's already so many of us from previous classes (class of 2014 here) who are still wandering around aimlessly with our licenses about to expire. Sure we can sub, but still can't get enough days to cover it. And now in NY they lowered the bar again in terms of teaching requirements so the tests will get easier and easier (as the passing scores get lowered,) thanks!
    It's really annoying when I apply for elementary jobs with the education and experience I get and can't even get interviews. I get ''thanks, but no thanks'' letters only to find I've been beaten out by some recent grad who just student taught. It's frustrating!!! And yes, I'm well aware we all start there.

    And by reading these posts, I realize I'm not alone!

    :banghead:

    If I could hit the rewind button, I would have stuck with my original plan of teaching Spanish and probably would have had a job by now.
     
  17. Mr.history

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    I haven't read every single one of your posts but I have read about 4 or 5. I completely understand the struggle to find a job. I graduated in 2012 and did not get a job the 2012-2013 school year. I had to wait until the 2013-2014 school year and the only reason I got a job was because I moved to a very rural district. In that time I got certified in more subjects, finished a masters and almost completed a specialist. (will be done in December) This year I started applying for jobs back where I'm from and I was getting a lot of interviews. Even then I went on about 8 interviews where I didn't get the job and each time I left the interview I knew I didn't get it. There was always one question I flubbed/didn't have a good answer too. I guess I should also mention that at my current school I have interviewed about 20 teachers as apart of an interview committee so I have some insight into when an interview doesn't go very well. The job that I did get was because the night before I over prepared for the interview and had basically rehearsed it multiple times, I literally could not have been more prepared. I left that interview and called my wife to tell her I got it when the principal hadn't even called me yet, low and behold 2 days later and I got the job.

    My advice is make sure your as ready for the interviews as you think you are. I had a strong resume/references/experience/desired qualifications/ but I still was getting rejected because I struggled in the interviews.
     
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    I had to move from my hometown. There was no way I was getting a job there. I know awesome people, but not the "right" people. I am so glad I did. But, it does sting a little that the girl who almost got kicked out of our teacher prep program because she was HORRIBLE got a job 2 years after we graduated. Her mom was the school social worker.
     
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    Does it hurt being an older, balding, overweight male looking for math or science? Preferably middle school?
     
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