Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

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  1. Leaborb192

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    I don't know if one exists but wanted a place for all of us hopefuls to congregate in one place and support each other, through the good and bad of the trying times of the job hunting & interview process.

    This page can go wherever you want: whether it's to share battle scars, tips, SCREAM :mad::confused:and/or maybe even share job hunting links and any insider information like if you know a position in your school will be opening. Let's all help each other out, eh? :thumbs::handfist:

    Trying to find a job, in New York (in my case) really does feel like a crap shoot. I'd have a better chance of winning the lottery I think.

    I think there's nothing worse than applying for a job, getting a rejection letter just to find that the position has been posted AGAIN:banghead: or the deadline is extended. It's like WTF? And I think some schools should just come out and say on the app, "If you're not besties with the Super, or share his/her last name, don't even bother applying." Nepotism is HUGE in my area. It's really annoying.

    If you're in NY, what job sites do you use? I recommend the following:

    https://www.pnwboces.org/TeacherApplication/default.aspx?ReturnUrl=/TeacherApplication/ApplicantInfo/Default.aspx?region=&region=


    So now that I've said mine, who's next? I'll pass the ball to you and we'll keep it moving.

    :):anyone:

    Leaborb192
    BA Spanish
    MS Childhood Education
    MSED Reading Specialist (in progress)
    2 years of public school teaching
     
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  3. mckbearcat48

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    I like the idea. I'm holding out for results of 2 of my 3 interviews this week :)
     
  4. Kellie McGrath

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    I have been on 4 interviews so far. 2 no's (didn't really mind as the positions didn't feel great anyways), 2 waiting to hear (one of which I REALLY want). I have one tomorrow and one long term sub position one on monday. I also have one potential interview. I say potential because the status was changed to interview but I have not heard from the school at all so who knows. Its frustrating. I do not think I will hear back from the two I already went on till next week so just playing the waiting game. Sigh
     
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    For New York, I *highly* recommend NYS Teaching Jobs. There is a small fee - I think it was $5 a month - but so worth it. A couple of people at the site scour all the state job banks (OLAS, WNYRIC), online job banks (SchoolSpring etc.) as well as district websites, newspapers, Penny Savers and post all of the teaching jobs they find along with links to the posting. I saw stuff there I never would have found myself. Even though I didn't ultimately get my job through them, I thought it was well worth the money.

    ETA: leaborb, I tried to send you a PM, but it wouldn't go through. I think you might be too new to the boards. I teach at a district in Central NY that generally does a lot of hiring. If you'd be at all interested in some info, please feel free to email me at topshelfcookies at gmail.
     
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    I just want to say best wishes to all the job seekers out there.

    From an admin's perspective: Please do not despair if you don't land a position by August. Once the school year begins, many districts often find that they need more teachers and end scrambling to hire people. My district has 20 sites and I believe we hired 7-8 people in September due to our projected numbers being off.
     
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    Woof-not my best interview today. But here is what is frustrating. It was for an ABA tutoring position so essentially special education support. They asked me so many specific questions about dealing with certain behavior that I have never dealt with before. I was prepared for the scenarios but some of it was like have you ever had to use restaignts on a child. No, you read my resume, I have never worked with kids with sever special needs before....it was just awkward. I tried to put a positive spin and say I would be willing to learn and take additional classes but they just seemed so miserable to be there. Oh well. On to the next one.
     
  8. Leaborb192

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    LOL I saw that they were hiring in my area on Craiglist. I just chuckled and said, "nope."
     
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    Yeah it was for a really good public school district thats hard to get into-so I was like well that might be a foot in the door. But it was a frustrating interview.
     
  10. teacherquestions

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    I hate how slow some districts are! How can they expect to get the best candidates if they require multiple interviews with weeks in between! So frustrating--I wish it was a teacher's market and not the other way around
     
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    Multiple interviews are crap. They know damn well who they want to hire in that first interview, why not just cut me loose and let me go. False hope is terrible.
     
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    The job I really want is at a private Catholic school. I am waiting to hear about a second interview. It is required that a member of the parents board also interview each candidate. Can we say a little too much parental involvement?
     
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    Oh also: when you send an email and people don't read or respond to it. Why do people even have email?! I obsessively check it, it's hooked to my phone so it's quite simple really. ERR!!
     
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    Yes!! I think this school has an internal candidate in mind and i HATE that they have to go through the formalities of opening the interview process up to external candidates, like myself. If i didnt have a chance to begin with, dont waste my time and anxiety on it :banghead:
     
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    Basically. If you like me, hire me. If not, then tell me that and let me move on. And tell me immediately. Please don't send me a letter a week (or two) later. A nice phone call or email would suffice. If you like the other guy's personality or qualifications more, then fine, just tell me that. I sit in interview after interview where they're looking for that "just right" candidate, but let's face it: we all have the same enthusiasm for the job (otherwise why enter the field) and display similar outgoing personalities "I believe in collaboration and do whatever is necessary to help the team" yada...yada... so when it comes down to it the only real differentiators are: 1. Your qualifications (if you have even just a little more than the other guy it may tip in your favor) 2. Your contacts/ network (Do you know someone? Anyone in the tippity top? If so, congrats!) and 3. How REAL you are with your answers. I'm getting to the point where I'm not going to BS for a job anymore. If you ask me a question, I give a point blank honest answer and even have said, "I don't know if this is what you want to hear or if it's the correct answer but..." In a recent interview when they asked me about dealing with conflicts with colleagues I said, "I'm not here to make best friends with my colleagues. I have my life at school and home. I'm here for the kids. period." I then explained about what can happen when you become too buddy buddy with your teacher friends and how any drama outside of the school can get brought in. Slice it anyway you want: it happens! People say that they professionally handle it, which is CRAP! So I just choose to avoid it altogether. I want them to know who I am and what they'd get.
    I didn't get the job I interviewed for but was recommended to be put into the candidate pool for another... just waiting now... I know it probably won't happen but whatever. I keep it real!
    :) :cool:
     
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    I totally get what you mean! And I think that if everyone was upfront and 100% honest at the interviews then schools would be more likely to pick people that will last and not quit after a few years. I kind of agree that making friends with coworkers on purpose is pretty useless and can cause issues (i.e. gossiping, taking sides, etc), although if you naturally love your coworkers then that's great. I almost feel like interviewers would prefer to get the "positive" template answer of "i want to get along with everyone" rather than hear the honest truth of your priorities. Agreed though, we shouldnt be hostile to our coworkers, but we should definitely prioritize the kids. Almost makes me wonder what the point of an interview is if they already have a favorite, and if they don't want any sort of answer that isnt 100% sugar coated. Good luck with your search though! At least youll end up with a school that's a super great fit :) I'm starting my 2nd year of teaching this year and am still waiting to hear back. I mentioned earlier that i have interview #2 with the superintendent next week, but so do 2 other candidates. I hate the competition :/
     
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    But I'm in the same boat: I'm just a nobody attempting to claw my way up the ladder fighting against all the former valedictorians and sorority sisters applying for the job. You're right, so many people BS their way through, get into a classroom and HATE it! They're miserable and hate the kids and work load, "Wah wah I didn't know there was so much work involved," If you're not committed to the job, GO HOME! It'll free up a spot for someone else. And I'm sorry but I really don't believe in tenure. I think there's a lot of great teachers but I've had a lot of crap ones who really didn't care. They were just living to go home at 2:45 and they were in areas (math) that I needed good teachers the most. I've had TWO effective and awesome math teachers in all the years I've been a student! TWO! One of the best was fresh out of the gate. He had just graduated college and it was his first year, but you wouldn't have even been able to tell. A lot of these people who interview have the answers but don't really have the heart or soul for the job. I think that teacher ed programs are also partly to blame. A lot of the crappy teachers could be caught before they even get a chance to get out there and clog up the system.
    But if I have to, at the end of the day, relocate (again) to another random, obscure location to get a job - so be it! That's how passionate and dedicated to it I am. People have told me (and it's completely true) that I have a very strong and loud personality so I think a lot of admin has been threatened by me to be honest. Oh well. C'est la vie! Que sera, sera!

    I also see that you became a follower. So I've made a fan, eh? ;)

    PS: Watch this funny (but partly inappropriate) video about job interviews :

    This plays in my head EVERY TIME I sit across the table. LOL
     
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    HAHA i literally laughed out loud when watching that video. So dang true; especially the part about already knowing hes going to hire the boss's nephew :p
    And I've never found someone else that also disagrees with tenure! I think it makes teachers comfortable with being awful, and it is basically there to protect bad teachers.
     
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    You prob have they just were too uncomfortable to say it or feared they'd be seen as "the enemy." I think if you're effective and do your job, you don't need tenure. It's supposed to protect you and serve as barrier from just being fired but I taught in AZ ("right to work") and we didn't have those protections and did just fine. The good teachers keep their jobs and the crap ones are let go. That's how it should be.

    I play the "male card" when I interview because let's face it: this profession (elementary) is dominated by white women... so I use what I've got. :)
     
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    Yep. I totally agree. Teachers should have to continue to work to keep their spots and not be replaced by younger, better people. At the same time, I was considering, what's stopping a school from constantly getting rid of their older people (who have more years of experience and thus get paid more) and replacing them with younger, cheaper people? Probably that tenure.
    And yeah; being an asian female in my area is pretty advantageous as the school im interviewing with is legit 90% white people haha.
     
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    Wasn't an issue in AZ. The only reason they had to replace teachers is because so many get experience and then resign for better jobs elsewhere, like I did. And I have to say seasoned teachers are great, but there's a lot who are really stuck in their ways, unwilling to change their teaching practices or explore (technology, for example) and shouldn't be there. Just sayin'.
     

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