Job Dilemma

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  1. Ms.Holyoke

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    I did turn down the job as it is really early in the hiring season. I was concerned by the fact that the principal was leaving and I wasn't told this info in my job interview. The school generally seems unstable and I'm not willing to leave a job that is stable where my admin does seem to like me and generally leaves us alone to go to a turnaround. I want my next job to be a school that I can see myself staying at long term and I didn't see that for this job.
     
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    You made the right call for you, and your thoughtfulness on it is admirable. There WILL be other offers.
     
  3. Ms.Holyoke

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    Job Update:

    On Thursday, I went to a different demo lesson for a different school. The job is again for 6th grade math. The demo went pretty well & they asked for references. I was supposed to hear back yesterday, but I didn't so I assumed that I didn't get it. But I just got a call tonight saying that they didn't have time to check my references and they will be checking them on Monday and giving me a call on Monday. She also told me to call her if I receive any other offers. I will be emailing/texting my references tomorrow that they should expect a call on monday! I am grateful to my mentor from this year because I used one of her lesson ideas for my demo.

    My demo lesson was pretty good. I did a lesson with manipulatives that my mentor showed me this year. It was nice because I already taught it to my kids this year. It was an interesting situation because they combined parts of two classes since some of the kids were on a field trip. So it was with an inclusion class, but I had about 26-27 kids. The behavior was alright and I needed to give a few redirections/reminders to have one voice at a time, etc. but all the kids listened the first time and were really good. I think it was actually good that there were a few side conversations that I handled because she said that these kids need high expectations, etc.

    I don't want to get my hopes up but I REALLY want this job:

    Pros:
    -Shorter commute...it is in the same city that I live in. (I live in a big city though so it's in a different part and I likely wouldn't run into kids.) It's a 15 minute drive but I could also take a bus that would take 30 mins.
    -Much higher salary (same as the previous school...but without the extended day or extra meetings). I would make about 68K here and 56K at my current school.
    -Class size cap of 28 kids!!
    -Middle School Teams: We will meet with the math team and middle school teams on alternate days
    -Same grade level, so I know the standards pretty well and I have some lessons I can use.

    Cons:
    -It is a Level 3 school
    -Behavior might be difficult to manage, but I think I will be better with behavior management in my 2nd year of teaching. Behavior is also not great at my current school. I felt that the kids were similar when observing them in the hallway, etc.
    -I would teach 4 60 minute classes instead of 3 72 minute classes.
    -Some policies like hoodies, uniforms, don't seem to be enforced. I enforce it at my school since admin wants us to. But I would let it go if it wasn't a big deal to the school. (This is a pro/con...I like uniforms but I HATE policing them.)
    -I would have to teach inclusion + it is my first time teaching inclusion.
    -The school is pretty run down. My current school is beautiful and well maintained. We have a SMART Board and a document camera. This one just has a projector, no document camera, etc.

    Pro/Con: There is no tracking. Part of me loves this because we would have teams, but there might be a ton of different levels in one class.

    I believe they use the open up curriculum for math. I like the curriculum but I also think it can be pretty confusing for the kids.
     
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  4. LouiseB

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    Did you meet the others on the team? What do you know about this school? Turnover? I would guess that you checked into this before applying. Your list as more pros than cons.
     
  5. Ms.Holyoke

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    I met the science teacher who seemed great and the 7-8 grade math teacher.

    There doesn't seem to be a ton of turnover. There are some schools (like the previous school that I mentioned on this thread) with a ton of job postings in almost every subject and grade. This school only has two jobs posted--this job and an early childhood sped job.
     
  6. LouiseB

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    That is a positive as it shows people stay around. Sounds like this might be the change you are looking for. Will you have difficulty getting out of your contract? Around here, we have to return our contracts by April 30 and you might get out of it or you might not.
     
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    Nope, I did not sign anything for next year. My mentor told me people even leave in the summer at my school. If I get the job, I will let my school know as soon as I sign the contract for my new school.

    If offered, I am going to talk to my union rep. I don't want to resign until I sign my contract.
     
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    I am so nervous!!!
     
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    What does level 3 school mean?
     
  10. Ms.Holyoke

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    Schools are assigned levels based on test scores. So the scores aren't too bad but they're not great.
     
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    Any news on the job?
     
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    So I just got offered the job!! BUT I'm a little bit concerned.

    Apparently, it would start as a long-term sub job until November 1st and I would only get a contract on November 1st. Thoughts? I would hate to leave a permanent position for something not guaranteed...
     
  13. Missy

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    In my district long term subs receive sub pay until day 30. Something to check on!
     
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    You’re going to leave a permanent job for a non-guaranteed temporary one, potentially. What if they decide to discontinue the position?
     
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    Can you sign a contract for the LTS position and the permanent position now to guarantee the permanent job?
     
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    Great idea! I will ask
     
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    What was the explanation given for that? I would not even consider it unless you can sign the FT contract right now, and there is a very good explanation for why things need to be done that way. It seems to me that either they're waiting for October count (IDK if it's "October count" everywhere, but whenever they officially count students for funding) to justify the position, which means you run the risk of them not having enough students/the job not really becoming FT, or they're just manipulating you so that they can pay you a much lower salary for the first 3 months. Would you still have benefits? I don't think our long term subs get benefits.

    Also, in my district anyone that isn't hired before the start of the year is automatically non-renewed at the end of the year. If they like you, they hire you back, but it's still a little stressful as they still post the position for 2 weeks. Also, since it wasn't a full year, it doesn't count for an experience increment, meaning you'd lose out on a salary step, and take one year longer to earn non-probationary status. Here, even though you were there in the same position, the long term thing wouldn't count. I would make sure you know all of the rules the district has surrounding this.

    I once interviewed for a job where they told me a very similar scenario. The job would start as a long term sub but was "pretty much guaranteed" to turn into full time, and they even said I would get back pay when that happened. I still didn't even consider it- IMO there are way too many risks with something going wrong, and I needed the FT salary right away, not as back pay later.

    To me this is a huge red flag. If you are just dying to get into this particular school I could see maybe justifying IF they let you sign the permanent contract right away and you ascertain there are no loopholes. Otherwise, I'd run from this position. It's not like you're unemployed and desperate to break into the field. From what you've posted, your current job honestly doesn't sound that bad and I would bet you'll discover that the grass isn't always greener.
     
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    The only reason I could see them making it a LTS position to start is to see if someone better comes along to give the permanent job too. Seems odd.
     
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    Amen!
     
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    They didn't mention the long term sub until they offered the job? I wouldn't take it since it is not a full time position right away. I think I would tell them that and see what their response is to that.

    You have a tough decision to make!
     
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